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2023-08-14 00:09:14 +0200 <bratwurst> hi. ive got a function that needs an 'IOVector' and ive got an 'Image' which has a 'Vector'. How do I convert?
2023-08-14 00:09:45 +0200 <bratwurst> so an IOVector is held by a foreign ptr correct?
2023-08-14 00:10:52 +0200 <bratwurst> what's the relation between 'RealWorld' and 'PrimState m'?
2023-08-14 00:11:18 +0200 <bratwurst> 'new' won't give me an 'IOVector' will it?
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2023-08-14 00:12:33 +0200 <monochrom> Look for "freeze" and "thaw".
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2023-08-14 00:17:52 +0200 <bratwurst> oh thank you. i missed that whole section
2023-08-14 00:18:39 +0200FinnElija(~finn_elij@user/finn-elija/x-0085643)
2023-08-14 00:20:51 +0200 <bratwurst> ok so 'thaw' returns an 'MVector (PrimState m) a', whereas an 'IOVector' is type synonym 'MVector RealWorld'. what's happening here?
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2023-08-14 00:21:56 +0200 <monochrom> If m=IO, then PrimState m = PrimState IO = RealWorld.
2023-08-14 00:22:27 +0200 <bratwurst> ah excellent. i understand now
2023-08-14 00:23:27 +0200 <geekosaur> the indirection is because ST also can be a PrimState
2023-08-14 00:28:01 +0200 <bratwurst> im confused by the documentation for 'Image'. is it always going to be four bytes to a pixel?
2023-08-14 00:29:54 +0200 <bratwurst> nevermind i need to look at juicypixels, not rasterifci
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2023-08-14 04:43:32 +0200 <bratwurst> if a function accepts 'Int' but I give it 'CInt' and it compiles fine, is that ok?
2023-08-14 04:43:36 +0200 <bratwurst> it should fail no?
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2023-08-14 04:48:21 +0200 <dsal> Can you give some more context?
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2023-08-14 04:50:04 +0200 <dsal> Is `CInt` a type alias for `Int` vs. an FFI newtype? Is the function defined to only take `Int`, or does it take `Int`s along with other type.
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2023-08-14 05:44:01 +0200 <EvanR> CInt is a newtype over whatever sized int type is appropriate for your platform
2023-08-14 05:44:38 +0200Sgeo(~Sgeo@user/sgeo)
2023-08-14 05:45:08 +0200 <glguy> So in the case that your platform's CInt is the same as your platform's Int, it will work
2023-08-14 05:45:34 +0200 <EvanR> but data Int = I# Int#, how does it match
2023-08-14 05:47:46 +0200 <glguy> The FFI knows what's up
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2023-08-14 05:49:02 +0200 <glguy> The FFI maps Int to the C type HsInt, which happens to be int64_t on a 64-bit platform and int32_t on a 32-bit platform
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2023-08-14 06:00:04 +0200 <Axman6> #nonstdint.hintsconsideredharmful
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2023-08-14 06:02:51 +0200 <glguy> If you're just writing some C code to be used in your Haskell, rather than binding to some already existing C library, using HsInt in the C code is about as bad as using Int in your Haskell code
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2023-08-14 07:00:41 +0200 <bratwurst> i moved the expression elsewhere and it failed like i would expect. i will try to reproduce what's happening tomorrow. im so tired im probably doing something dumb
2023-08-14 07:00:53 +0200 <bratwurst> but i have rasterific working with sdl now
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2023-08-14 12:51:48 +0200 <joel135> hello, how does haskell's ffi relate to libffi?
2023-08-14 12:52:03 +0200 <joel135> (used by python)
2023-08-14 12:53:27 +0200CiaoSen(~Jura@2a05:5800:28a:f300:664b:f0ff:fe37:9ef) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2023-08-14 12:54:01 +0200 <opqdonut> the term FFI, Foreign Function Interface, is used when languages call functions written in other languages (mostly C)
2023-08-14 12:59:06 +0200 <joel135> may i assume that haskell's ffi doesn't use libffi?
2023-08-14 12:59:37 +0200bgs(~bgs@212-85-160-171.dynamic.telemach.net)
2023-08-14 13:00:55 +0200 <opqdonut> looks like it does: http://sourceware.org/libffi/
2023-08-14 13:01:05 +0200 <opqdonut> (see under "Who uses it?")
2023-08-14 13:01:41 +0200 <opqdonut> I'm not sure that's up to date, but it seems it at least used to
2023-08-14 13:03:02 +0200 <joel135> oh i must've missed it, i was looking at that page!
2023-08-14 13:03:38 +0200 <joel135> it's nice to know some of the good functionality of python and haskell is shared
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2023-08-14 13:07:19 +0200 <arahael> Incidentially, what's the best "automatic" ffi for haskell? Like, #include some C header, and bam, you've got a haskell binding.
2023-08-14 13:08:53 +0200 <arahael> Eg, similar to bindgen and cbindgen in Rust.
2023-08-14 13:10:47 +0200 <feetwind> can i hide kind applications in ghci :type somehow? it makes many types much harder to read. like runError :: forall e (es :: [(Type -> Type) -> Type -> Type]) a. Eff ((':) @((Type -> Type) -> Type -> Type) (Error e) es) a -> Eff es (Either (CallStack, e) a)
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2023-08-14 14:20:12 +0200 <feetwind> ok, i found the answer from a 2013 stackoverflow https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16346293/why-does-ghci-desugar-type-lists-and-type-families-ca… -- :set -fno-print-explicit-kinds
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2023-08-14 14:25:30 +0200 <jackdk> Oooh, neat. Thanks for posting the answer
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2023-08-14 15:35:34 +0200 <probie> What's the term for a monoid where `(<>)` is commutative?
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2023-08-14 15:38:15 +0200 <Hecate> tomsmeding: I've been told many times in the past month what a delight the Haskell Playground was :)
2023-08-14 15:38:28 +0200 <Hecate> so, thank you for creating it :)
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2023-08-14 15:41:38 +0200 <opqdonut> probie: I haven't heard of any term other than "commutative monoid"
2023-08-14 15:42:07 +0200 <opqdonut> (commutative groups are also called abelian groups tho)
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2023-08-14 15:43:23 +0200 <Hecate> https://argumatronic.com/posts/2019-06-21-algebra-cheatsheet.html#group-like-structures
2023-08-14 15:43:27 +0200 <Hecate> Abelian yes, probie
2023-08-14 15:43:51 +0200 <opqdonut> I don't think anyone says "abelian monoid"
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2023-08-14 15:44:23 +0200 <opqdonut> hmm ok wikipedia mentions it on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoid
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2023-08-14 15:50:02 +0200 <ph88> does haskell hashmap use a 32bit or less hash ?
2023-08-14 15:51:43 +0200 <danse-nr3_> that is a nice page Hecate
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2023-08-14 15:52:34 +0200 <[exa]> ph88: likely depends on this one https://hackage.haskell.org/package/hashable-1.4.0.2/docs/Data-Hashable.html#v:hash
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2023-08-14 16:06:13 +0200 <ph88> [exa], i guess 32bits for 32bits system and 64bits for 64bits system ?
2023-08-14 16:06:40 +0200 <[exa]> yeah that's the common behavior of Int
2023-08-14 16:07:42 +0200 <[exa]> not sure if there are many exceptions though, maybe on non-x86ish platforms and non-ghc compilers...
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2023-08-14 16:29:04 +0200 <probie> The report requires _at least_ 30 bits for `Int`
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2023-08-14 16:29:35 +0200 <probie> So even on a non-GHC implementation on a 16-bit platform, you can expect at least 30 bits in your hash
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2023-08-14 16:58:40 +0200 <tomsmeding> opqdonut: I've also only ever heard commutative monoid
2023-08-14 16:58:46 +0200 <tomsmeding> Hecate: <3
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2023-08-14 17:38:18 +0200 <tomsmeding> oh wrong mention, probie ^
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2023-08-14 22:52:38 +0200 <Inst> EvanR:
2023-08-14 22:52:39 +0200 <Inst> https://newaverageandpragmatic.blogspot.com/2023/08/haskell-kaiseki-cookbook.html
2023-08-14 22:52:49 +0200 <Inst> This is just a scrapbook, tbh, the blog, I registered justdoit.cx
2023-08-14 22:53:09 +0200 <Inst> Just do it (in GHCI, last statement, in HUnit, something else)
2023-08-14 22:53:21 +0200simikando(~simikando@adsl-dyn-104.95-102-88.t-com.sk)
2023-08-14 22:53:26 +0200 <Inst> would rather work on getting something professional on Justdoit.cx
2023-08-14 22:53:46 +0200 <Inst> now, to actually write a tutorial
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2023-08-14 23:14:44 +0200 <Inst> I'll get around to writing the monomer version, i'll probably move to gi-gtk
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2023-08-14 23:26:04 +0200 <Inst> anyone interested in an interesting freakshow with windows powershell?
2023-08-14 23:26:24 +0200 <Inst> Basically, I can get gi-gtk to work under the instructions (I think Jaro did it?) provided for CMD, but in powershell
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2023-08-14 23:32:46 +0200 <EvanR> ok great
2023-08-14 23:33:21 +0200 <Inst> okay, i'll stop annoying you guys for a while, need to get work done
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