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2023-04-02 00:55:20 +0000 <Axman6> Is there a way to teach hls about the dependencies a standalone haskell file needs? I have a cabal: comment at the top which works fine when I run the file using is shebang line, but when editing it (in helix currently) I get errors about imports needing packages specified in build-depends
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2023-04-02 01:01:39 +0000 <Axman6> Looks like cabal/stack script support has been asked for, but not implemented: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/issues/111
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2023-04-02 02:05:06 +0000 <sex> printf("Hello slave World")
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2023-04-02 02:18:52 +0000 <sm> Axman6: alas yes
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2023-04-02 02:55:11 +0000 <Nosrep> would it be possible for IntMap to use Bits instead of Ints
2023-04-02 02:55:54 +0000 <Nosrep> or finitebits i guess?
2023-04-02 02:56:28 +0000 <Nosrep> don't really know how it works internally but it sounds better than implementing a bunch of int32map word64maps and whatever else (there are none, but i wish there were)
2023-04-02 02:59:03 +0000 <EvanR> there's a package for IntMap that uses Enum
2023-04-02 02:59:13 +0000 <EvanR> which maps to and from Int
2023-04-02 02:59:41 +0000 <EvanR> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/enummaps
2023-04-02 03:00:15 +0000 <EvanR> which sounds more efficient than going through Bits
2023-04-02 03:02:01 +0000 <EvanR> Enum also allows you to use e.g. Char
2023-04-02 03:07:24 +0000 <Nosrep> it uses fromEnum under the hood
2023-04-02 03:07:37 +0000 <Nosrep> so might as well just use intset at that point
2023-04-02 03:07:56 +0000 <Nosrep> wait, is int64 a thing on 32bit systems?
2023-04-02 03:09:47 +0000 <Nosrep> okay never mind i was thinking about having int64map on 32 bit systems but yeah seems kinda pointless if it isnt
2023-04-02 03:10:20 +0000 <Nosrep> enummaps is cool though
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2023-04-02 03:19:51 +0000 <EvanR> yes you can wrap IntMap yourself if you want
2023-04-02 03:21:15 +0000 <EvanR> Int64 is a thing on 32bit, two 32bit ints xD
2023-04-02 03:26:59 +0000 <Nosrep> how would i go about wrapping i
2023-04-02 03:27:11 +0000 <Nosrep> without just truncating it somehow which has collisiosn
2023-04-02 03:27:26 +0000 <Nosrep> wouldn't you have to like copy the whole intmap code over and change the key to int64?
2023-04-02 03:27:33 +0000 <EvanR> I'm not following
2023-04-02 03:27:42 +0000 <EvanR> you want to use IntMap with what kind of key
2023-04-02 03:28:38 +0000 <EvanR> if it can't fit into an Int it won't work
2023-04-02 03:32:17 +0000 <EvanR> if it can, Enum is a pre-existing gateway to do that
2023-04-02 03:33:32 +0000 <Nosrep> i want an intmap thats still 64bit on 32 bit systems so my program doesn't fall apart
2023-04-02 03:34:15 +0000 <Nosrep> it should be possible the a guy on github was like "oh i can modify the key but idk if i wanna put that in"
2023-04-02 03:36:17 +0000 <EvanR> Int64 map for 32bit systems, sounds like a bad idea
2023-04-02 03:36:21 +0000 <EvanR> but possible
2023-04-02 03:36:57 +0000 <EvanR> it kind of defeats the purpose of the performance gain of using Int
2023-04-02 03:39:53 +0000 <EvanR> there's always Map Int64
2023-04-02 03:40:03 +0000 <EvanR> and hiding what kind of table you use behind a newtype
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2023-04-02 04:05:30 +0000 <Nosrep> good idea
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2023-04-02 06:30:50 +0000 <kuribas> How do HKTs fit into the lambda cube?
2023-04-02 06:30:54 +0000 <kuribas> They are not types that depend on types, since (Type -> Type) is not a type...
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2023-04-02 06:32:11 +0000 <kuribas> They are not terms either.
2023-04-02 06:32:27 +0000 <kuribas> (Type -> Type) is not a (value level) term.
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2023-04-02 15:51:58 +0000 <gensyst> Any Haskell/Nix guys here?
2023-04-02 15:52:02 +0000 <gensyst> (and flakes)
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2023-04-02 15:53:20 +0000 <ncf> don't ask to ask
2023-04-02 15:53:53 +0000 <[exa]> quite a few people here use nix
2023-04-02 15:55:32 +0000 <gensyst> In Nix/flakes code like this, https://dpaste.com/AR6SKVPX3 .. (taken from serokell.io blog post) .. where would you insert "buildPhase = " to override the buildPhase?
2023-04-02 15:55:59 +0000 <gensyst> For testing I've tried putting buildPhase = ""; at a few places (to test if really no buildling happens), but always the build happens anyway.
2023-04-02 15:59:03 +0000 <ncf> i'd try calling overrideCabal on your package and setting preBuild or postBuild, see https://nixos.org/manual/nixpkgs/unstable/#haskell-overriding-haskell-packages
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2023-04-02 16:03:04 +0000 <Cale> The result of callCabal2nix should have a buildPhase attribute, have you tried replacing that?
2023-04-02 16:05:09 +0000 <Cale> nix-repl> x = (import <nixpkgs> {}).haskell.packages.ghc8107.callCabal2nix "lumatone-hs" ./lumatone-hs.cabal {}
2023-04-02 16:05:09 +0000 <Cale> nix-repl> x.buildPhase
2023-04-02 16:05:09 +0000 <Cale> "runHook preBuild\n./Setup build \nrunHook postBuild\n"
2023-04-02 16:08:03 +0000 <Cale> er, passed the .cabal rather than the source path there, but you get the idea
2023-04-02 16:09:04 +0000econo(uid147250@user/econo)
2023-04-02 16:12:00 +0000 <Cale> x.overrideAttrs (self: { buildPhase = ""; }) resulted in the build not happening (and then the next steps failing to find .hi files)
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2023-04-02 16:13:54 +0000 <ncf> (why would you want that, though?)
2023-04-02 16:14:03 +0000 <Cale> Yeah, you probably wouldn't, haha
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2023-04-02 16:26:03 +0000 <gensyst> Cale, ncf i'm just getting confused... (i have some existing addBuildDepends functions etc.)
2023-04-02 16:26:06 +0000 <gensyst> comparing with https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/doc/languages-frameworks/haskell.section.md
2023-04-02 16:26:19 +0000 <gensyst> was the argument order changed for functions like addBuildDepends, at some point?
2023-04-02 16:27:03 +0000 <ncf> there's two versions of those functions, one in haskell.lib and one in haskell.lib.compose, and they have swapped argument orders
2023-04-02 16:27:06 +0000 <ncf> don't ask me why
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2023-04-02 16:27:52 +0000 <ncf> (well, i'm gonna go out on a limb and guess haskell.lib is for backwards compatibility while haskell.lib.compose is for making chains of functions with lib.pipe)
2023-04-02 16:28:44 +0000 <gensyst> ah, good to know!
2023-04-02 16:30:08 +0000 <gensyst> ncf Cale, I tried replacing the buildPhase without any luck: https://dpaste.com/GX3HGTNUA
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2023-04-02 16:31:00 +0000 <ncf> <ncf> i'd try calling overrideCabal on your package and setting preBuild or postBuild, see https://nixos.org/manual/nixpkgs/unstable/#haskell-overriding-haskell-packages
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2023-04-02 16:38:48 +0000 <gensyst> ncf, that fails to compile: https://dpaste.com/3S2BKQHP6
2023-04-02 16:39:05 +0000 <gensyst> ncf, fyi if I replace buildPhase with postInstall (which is not what I want), it at least compiles
2023-04-02 16:39:13 +0000 <gensyst> so i guess it shows we are on the right track, so to speak
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2023-04-02 16:43:04 +0000 <ncf> indeed, the arguments to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/pkgs/development/haskell-modules/generic-builder.nix don't let you override the entire build phase
2023-04-02 16:43:17 +0000 <ncf> if you still want to do that (why?), use .overrideAttrs
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2023-04-02 16:57:35 +0000 <jumper149> I am currently using brick to build a TUI, but just noticed that reflex-vty exists. Does anyone know whether one library is better than the other in any way?
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2023-04-02 16:59:48 +0000 <Cale> As one of the authors of reflex-vty, I'd also be curious if you find one works out better for you than the other. reflex-vty is based on the same vty library as brick, but provides a functional reactive programming (FRP) interface to it.
2023-04-02 17:00:38 +0000 <sm> I assume brick provides more widgets and is easier to learn
2023-04-02 17:00:55 +0000jle`(~jle`@cpe-23-240-75-236.socal.res.rr.com)
2023-04-02 17:01:11 +0000smimagines brick-reflex
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2023-04-02 17:02:07 +0000 <Cale> The only reason we're not based on top of brick is that at the time that we were starting reflex-vty at least, brick's author didn't want to expose a bunch of internals that we'd have needed. :P
2023-04-02 17:04:34 +0000 <Cale> I haven't looked at it much since then, and it looks a fair bit different from how I remember, so I'm not sure if writing a binding would go completely differently now.
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2023-04-02 17:16:07 +0000 <jumper149> Well overall I feel like brick is quite pragmatic. It uses the Elm approach (Model,View,Update), which is fine with me.
2023-04-02 17:16:25 +0000 <jumper149> But I feel like the abstractions could still be improved quite a bit.
2023-04-02 17:16:36 +0000emmanuelux(~emmanuelu@user/emmanuelux) (Quit: au revoir)
2023-04-02 17:18:40 +0000 <jumper149> For example the `EventM` monad (to update the state) uses `MonadState` to access the application state. This is pragmatic, because you can now use mircrolens-mtl functions, but it doesn't play so good when combined with a custom monad stack for example.
2023-04-02 17:19:43 +0000 <jumper149> Maybe FRP makes life a little better, idk.
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2023-04-02 17:30:12 +0000 <sm> define "better" :)
2023-04-02 17:35:21 +0000 <gensyst> ncf, thanks for asking "why?". it pushed me to do what i originally wanted and for that preCheck should be fine.
2023-04-02 17:35:42 +0000 <gensyst> The real issue is "cabal build" not working when called from within a test suite (using turtle scripting)
2023-04-02 17:36:26 +0000 <gensyst> something about /homeless-shelter and even if I with preCheck set HOME=$(pwd) or HOME=$TMP some other errors about GHC env variables
2023-04-02 17:36:49 +0000 <gensyst> By what mechanism could cabal build work fine in the build phase, and even in nix develop shell, but not when call from within a test suite?
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2023-04-02 17:37:07 +0000 <gensyst> (it's an integration test that builds the project itself and then runs it)
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2023-04-02 17:39:46 +0000 <ncf> i only know the builder does its own plumbing (rather than just calling cabal), but i don't know exactly how it works
2023-04-02 17:39:55 +0000 <ncf> i'd suggest asking the Nix Haskell room on matrix
2023-04-02 17:40:19 +0000 <ncf> https://matrix.to/#/#haskell:nixos.org
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2023-04-02 17:42:00 +0000 <gensyst> what matrix clients are best for linux (debian)
2023-04-02 17:42:46 +0000 <mauke> if you find a good one, let me know
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2023-04-02 17:44:56 +0000 <gensyst> mauke, which have you tried? just checked and from the ones on Debian, nheko seems the most maintained/popular on GitHub
2023-04-02 17:47:14 +0000 <mauke> element, nheko, fluffychat
2023-04-02 17:48:39 +0000 <mauke> nheko's UI suffers from being a bunch of pre-fab components slapped together
2023-04-02 17:49:10 +0000 <mauke> there's no coherent design or look-and-feel; it's all just what Qt happens to offer in widget X
2023-04-02 17:49:33 +0000 <gensyst> ah ok. imo i gave up on "pretty" when i moved to linux. for linux, functionality matters to me now. pretty is for walled-garden, closed-source apple users
2023-04-02 17:49:45 +0000 <mauke> which is why e.g. scrolling in the preferences pane works completely differently from the main chat area
2023-04-02 17:50:07 +0000 <mauke> it's also great if you like HTML injection bugs in native C++ applications :-)
2023-04-02 17:52:42 +0000 <sm> ouch
2023-04-02 17:55:51 +0000 <witcher> gensyst: i'm on the lookout as well, currently, but am really struggling to find something
2023-04-02 17:56:05 +0000 <witcher> i've settled for a weechat plugin for the time being. not ideal
2023-04-02 17:56:46 +0000 <sm> Element is free software, isn't it ?
2023-04-02 17:56:55 +0000 <witcher> it is
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2023-04-02 18:30:08 +0000 <Guest|27> Hi. I wanted to ask if there was a problem with installing GHCup in admin mode because every time I try to install it closes the shell before doing any thing  except if i use admin mode.
2023-04-02 18:32:35 +0000 <mauke> what do you mean by "close the shell"?
2023-04-02 18:33:07 +0000 <mauke> actually, what OS are you on and how are you trying to install it?
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2023-04-02 18:36:51 +0000 <yushyin> most likely windows
2023-04-02 18:37:10 +0000 <Guest|2731> (I'm sorry i lost mi connection for a moment)I'm on windows 8.1 and by "close the shell" I mean that the power shell sends 3 herror messages and then it closes
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2023-04-02 18:38:57 +0000 <mauke> what command are you using for installation?
2023-04-02 18:39:55 +0000 <Guest|2731> This is the one given in the official page
2023-04-02 18:39:56 +0000 <Guest|2731> "Set-ExecutionPolicy Bypass -Scope Process -Force;[System.Net.ServicePointManager]::SecurityProtocol = [System.Net.ServicePointManager]::SecurityProtocol -bor 3072; try { Invoke-Command -ScriptBlock ([ScriptBlock]::Create((Invoke-WebRequest https://www.haskell.org/ghcup/sh/bootstrap-haskell.ps1 -UseBasicParsing))) -ArgumentList $true } catch {
2023-04-02 18:39:56 +0000 <Guest|2731> Write-Error $_ }"
2023-04-02 18:40:45 +0000 <Guest|2731> I already tried turning off mi antivirus but it didn't work so i was asking if there was really a problem with installing it in admin mode because that's the only time it didn't send mi error messages
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2023-04-02 19:55:40 +0000 <heraldo> This Steven Diehl document, the one, WIWIK I think
2023-04-02 19:56:04 +0000 <heraldo> Is anyone in here familiar with it
2023-04-02 19:56:41 +0000 <heraldo> I think I might have made a mess of the acryonym. It is the What I wish I knew document
2023-04-02 19:56:58 +0000 <heraldo> Wow I made typos all of the place
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2023-04-02 19:58:00 +0000 <heraldo> Thanks
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2023-04-02 23:59:34 +0000 <erisco> if I have something where x >>= \a -> (y >>= \b -> z) does not equal (x >>= \a -> y) >>= \b -> z do I have something recognisable or do I just have a mess?