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2023-01-26 00:20:33 +0000 <jle``> hi haskellers
2023-01-26 00:20:36 +0000 <jle``> how are yall today
2023-01-26 00:20:42 +0000 <jle``> how goes the haskelling
2023-01-26 00:21:07 +0000 <geekosaur> it goes
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2023-01-26 00:21:31 +0000 <jle``> :)
2023-01-26 00:22:02 +0000 <geekosaur> I just filed https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/issues/3466 asking for more control over HLS's import list handling
2023-01-26 00:23:32 +0000 <geekosaur> although now I wonder if I should file a ghc proposal to make an import list of `(_)` an explicit import of everything to silence import list warnings
2023-01-26 00:24:50 +0000 <sm> goes well [jle](https://matrix.to/#/@jle:libera.chat) , how about you
2023-01-26 00:24:54 +0000 <sm> yikes
2023-01-26 00:25:18 +0000 <sm> your ticks are breaking Element :)
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2023-01-26 01:20:36 +0000 <geekosaur> on second thought I'm now preferring the idea of repurposing {-# COMPLETE #-} rather than a syntax change just to silence a warning
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2023-01-26 01:22:21 +0000 <geekosaur> haven't written the proposal yet, am reviewing the proposal guidelines and taking notes on what I want to propose
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2023-01-26 03:56:23 +0000 <anatta> i'm just making myself confused right now
2023-01-26 03:56:48 +0000 <anatta> is there a way to get an accumulating return value from State?
2023-01-26 03:57:13 +0000 <anatta> like instead of a getting [a] where [a] is the accumulated a:s from all previous iterations
2023-01-26 03:57:54 +0000 <anatta> (i guess that the state **is** an accumulated return value in itself)
2023-01-26 03:58:32 +0000 <anatta> (but then it seems difficult to read from it lazily?)
2023-01-26 03:59:02 +0000 <monochrom> You can always use "modify f". Now design an f that "accumulates". For example "modify (+ 1)".
2023-01-26 04:00:29 +0000 <anatta> yeah, but like
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2023-01-26 04:01:03 +0000 <smol-hors> does learning haskell help with understanding maths
2023-01-26 04:01:18 +0000 <slack1256> smol-hors: yes.
2023-01-26 04:01:36 +0000 <monochrom> Depends on what you emphasize.
2023-01-26 04:02:10 +0000 <smol-hors> it's a vague question, sorry, but I guess my goals are a bit vague too :/
2023-01-26 04:02:35 +0000 <monochrom> And depends on which part of math.
2023-01-26 04:02:39 +0000 <smol-hors> yeah
2023-01-26 04:02:42 +0000 <anatta> let's say I have a Program :: State ProgramState (), and I want to log every action that's taken in the program as a [Action]
2023-01-26 04:02:58 +0000 <smol-hors> which parts of maths does it help?
2023-01-26 04:03:51 +0000 <anatta> and I'd ideally want to be able to still read that [Action] list when I do things like repeat p = p >> repeat p
2023-01-26 04:04:03 +0000 <smol-hors> I learned some hs about 10 years ago so it's not completely new to me
2023-01-26 04:04:19 +0000 <smol-hors> funny how time flies
2023-01-26 04:05:06 +0000 <slack1256> I teaching my nephew basic "functions" like line equation and quadratic equations. Sometimes we push code to ghci to see it compute stuff.
2023-01-26 04:05:14 +0000 <anatta> but I can't figure out how to do that, because if I put the action list inside the ProgramState, it's unclear to me how I get it out lazily
2023-01-26 04:05:20 +0000 <slack1256> At least on the pre highschool level it is useful.
2023-01-26 04:06:29 +0000 <slack1256> On first year of college, I did real analysis with sequences. If the sequence had a clear definition, I could create a lazy list and see it converge to a certain value haha.
2023-01-26 04:07:03 +0000 <smol-hors> :)
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2023-01-26 04:08:02 +0000 <smol-hors> oh well, I'm gonna do it anyway, see where it takes me
2023-01-26 04:09:28 +0000 <smol-hors> I'm going to read haskell programming: from first principles to get started
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2023-01-26 04:28:12 +0000 <jackdk> anatta: I would look to find some way of diffing `ProgramState`, and then using one of the streaming monad transformers (I prefer `streaming`) to interleave "emit state transition" with "execution step"
2023-01-26 04:30:40 +0000 <anatta> jackdk: hm, I'll look into that - it looks promising at least, thanks
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2023-01-26 04:46:58 +0000 <jackdk> anatta: altenartively, work with the stream of `Action` to build your state-based actions instead of trying to reconstruct ri
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2023-01-26 05:57:39 +0000 <sm> hey all. I'm a little confused. https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ansi-terminal-0.11.4/docs/System-Console-ANSI.html#v:getLayerC… gives me a RGB Word16. Clicking on RGB takes me to https://hackage.haskell.org/package/colour-2.3.6/docs/Data-Colour-RGBSpace-HSL.html and I'd like to use the lightness function there, but it only takes Fractional a, which Word16 isn't ? Where have I gone wrong ?
2023-01-26 05:59:30 +0000 <c_wraith> you haven't
2023-01-26 06:02:10 +0000 <sm> I think those RGB functions are only applicable to a certain kind of RGB a (with a Fractional a), and I need to convert my RGB to one of those ?
2023-01-26 06:03:02 +0000 <c_wraith> yeah, though that package definitely has a lot of code for dealing with linear vs perceptual color spaces
2023-01-26 06:03:44 +0000 <c_wraith> I'm assuming a Word16 representation is linear, but the RGB type explicitly says "unspecified"
2023-01-26 06:03:57 +0000 <c_wraith> So you're going to have to make some assumptions doing conversions
2023-01-26 06:04:53 +0000 <sm> I seem to be doing something they didn't intend
2023-01-26 06:04:55 +0000 <c_wraith> note that RGB has a Functor instance, so you can always hand-wave it away with some fmap
2023-01-26 06:05:15 +0000smchecking if terminal is dark or light, like a peasant
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2023-01-26 06:06:39 +0000 <sm> I thought: I know, I'll use https://blog.plover.com/prog/haskell/numbers.html . But it makes navigating from Word16 to RealFrac look hilariously difficult :)
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2023-01-26 06:09:07 +0000 <sm> but it's not, is it. fromIntegral (1 :: Word16) :: Double
2023-01-26 06:09:09 +0000 <c_wraith> > let f x = fromIntegral x / (2**16 - 1) in fmap f [minBound :: Word16, maxBound]
2023-01-26 06:09:11 +0000 <lambdabot> [0.0,1.0]
2023-01-26 06:09:21 +0000 <c_wraith> it's just a call to fromIntegral
2023-01-26 06:09:29 +0000 <sm> awesome, thank you
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2023-01-26 11:54:14 +0000 <Profpatsch> I have an enum data Foo = A | B deriving (Enum, Bounded)
2023-01-26 11:54:36 +0000 <Profpatsch> and a function distinguish :: X -> (Foo, X)
2023-01-26 11:55:23 +0000 <Profpatsch> Is it possible do construct a way that forces the user of (Foo, X) to case-match on Foo before looking at X?
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2023-01-26 11:55:57 +0000 <Profpatsch> So basically turning data Foo = A | B into data Foo a = A a | B a without adding the type argument to every case of Foo
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2023-01-26 12:14:26 +0000 <opqdonut> well you could use `distinguish :: X -> (Foo -> X)` instead
2023-01-26 12:14:53 +0000 <opqdonut> err, no
2023-01-26 12:15:30 +0000 <opqdonut> I had a thought about using an eliminator function to stand in for the pattern match but now I can't formulate that into code
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2023-01-26 12:16:13 +0000 <geekosaur> I thought about that too, but also can't come up with a sensible implementation
2023-01-26 12:16:34 +0000 <geekosaur> I don't think it can be done without putting the value under the constructor
2023-01-26 12:17:11 +0000 <opqdonut> yeah the natural encoding is something like `destructure :: (Foo,X) -> (Foo -> X -> a) -> a`
2023-01-26 12:17:29 +0000 <opqdonut> but one can just ignore the Foo argument
2023-01-26 12:17:39 +0000 <mauke> custom pattern shenanigans?
2023-01-26 12:17:43 +0000 <jackdk> Linear arrows?
2023-01-26 12:17:47 +0000 <mauke> but what's the point? you could always write a function to undo it and give you a plain (Foo, X)
2023-01-26 12:17:49 +0000 <geekosaur> that was what I ran into, yeh
2023-01-26 12:18:03 +0000 <opqdonut> mauke: yeah
2023-01-26 12:18:28 +0000 <opqdonut> instead of a function, one could use something like `Map Foo (X -> a)`
2023-01-26 12:18:29 +0000 <jackdk> Make a Foo a GADT and use dependent-sum?
2023-01-26 12:18:58 +0000 <opqdonut> it's equivalent to (Foo,X) still, but it kinda directs the user towards handling the cases separately
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2023-01-26 12:21:44 +0000 <geekosaur> thre more machinery like this you involve, though, the more inviting the simpler encoding (A a | B a) becomes
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2023-01-26 12:35:49 +0000 <Profpatsch> opqdonut: yeah that’s what I noticed as well :)
2023-01-26 12:36:13 +0000 <Profpatsch> I think that’s really a feature that only makes sense in a dependently typed lang
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2023-01-26 12:42:48 +0000 <opqdonut> Profpatsch: even in a dependently typed language though it'd be easy to map `DependentPair Foo X -> (Foo,X)`
2023-01-26 12:43:01 +0000 <opqdonut> or if Foos are magical, then just (Int,X) :)
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2023-01-26 12:58:34 +0000 <Profpatsch> yeah right
2023-01-26 12:58:37 +0000 <Profpatsch> makes sense
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2023-01-26 13:35:12 +0000 <ncf> Profpatsch: are you looking for `seq`?
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2023-01-26 14:08:53 +0000 <maerwald> tomsmeding: /home/tom/.ghcup/ghc/9.4.4/lib/ghc-9.4.4/bin/./ghc-9.4.4: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.32' not found (required by /home/tom/.ghcup/ghc/9.4.4/lib/ghc-9.4.4/bin/../lib/x86_64-linux-ghc-9.4.4/libHSrts-1.0.2_thr-ghc9.4.4.so)
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2023-01-26 14:08:57 +0000 <maerwald> whoopsie
2023-01-26 14:09:10 +0000 <maerwald> you successfully hit the bindist bug
2023-01-26 14:09:14 +0000 <maerwald> good job
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2023-01-26 14:14:11 +0000 <Profpatsch> ncf: no, I don’t think so :)
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2023-01-26 17:41:00 +0000 <tomsmeding> maerwald: lol oops
2023-01-26 17:41:18 +0000 <tomsmeding> Sorry for being uninformed, what should I do
2023-01-26 17:41:37 +0000 <tomsmeding> Is that version just borked or is there a fix?
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2023-01-26 17:48:04 +0000 <tomsmeding> maerwald: oh no I don't think I hit any particular bug, it's just my incompetence in remembering that upgrading ghcs on my playground setup is annoyhing
2023-01-26 17:48:06 +0000 <tomsmeding> *annoying
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2023-01-26 19:54:09 +0000 <Jules43> How does Haskell select the type to use in such a case as the following? https://pastebin.com/raw/iYpaP3Nm Is this special cased for Double/Float, or is there something more general going on?
2023-01-26 19:54:39 +0000 <mauke> defaulting
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2023-01-26 19:55:19 +0000 <mauke> https://kseo.github.io/posts/2017-01-04-type-defaulting-in-haskell.html
2023-01-26 19:56:26 +0000 <Jules43> Thanks!
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2023-01-26 20:45:20 +0000 <enthropy> how do you debug inline-c code? I'm getting a segfault and when I run it in gdb all I have is inline_c_DearImGui_Raw_24
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2023-01-26 20:52:09 +0000 <monochrom> I haven't debugged inline-c code. But any code at all that I debug, I put a lot of debugging prints to check my assumptions.
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