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2022-12-27 03:00:57 +0000 <fizbin> Is it at all possible to run elemIndex on a mutable vector, or do I have to roll my own?
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2022-12-27 03:13:43 +0000 <dsal> Yeah, it'd be a sequence of monadic actions to read the values, so it'd at least have to look different.
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2022-12-27 04:11:55 +0000 <freeside> say, if i'm building against the latest stackage nightly on apple M1, should i expect ghc 9.4 to produce an arm binary or x86_64?
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2022-12-27 04:13:27 +0000 <dsal> It should produce a native ARM binary
2022-12-27 04:14:16 +0000 <freeside> that's what i thought. I wonder why it's putting out x86_64. I see half the things in .local/bin/ are arm64 and half are x86.
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2022-12-27 04:16:27 +0000 <dsal> If you're running stuff out of rosetta, then it might.
2022-12-27 04:16:40 +0000 <dsal> I'm just running native nix
2022-12-27 04:16:58 +0000 <freeside> entertainingly i seem to have 9.4.3 under both ~/.stack/programs/aarch64-osx and ~/.stack/programs/x86_64-osx
2022-12-27 04:17:25 +0000 <dsal> Is your `stack` native?
2022-12-27 04:17:57 +0000 <freeside> hm, my `which stack` shows nix-profile, maybe i should get rid of that and run the ghcup version
2022-12-27 04:19:08 +0000 <dsal> Are you not running native nix?
2022-12-27 04:19:25 +0000 <money> joeyes
2022-12-27 04:19:39 +0000 <money> = top right room
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2022-12-27 04:21:08 +0000 <freeside> i have /nix installed but also ghcup, i think i ought to be preferring the latter as i'm not good about keeping my nix pkgs up to date
2022-12-27 04:24:26 +0000 <freeside> heh, helloworld on x86 is 1.1
2022-12-27 04:24:43 +0000 <freeside> helloworld on arm64 is 9.5M
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2022-12-27 04:28:10 +0000 <dsal> I'm using nix, but not any x86_64 stuff.
2022-12-27 04:30:47 +0000 <freeside> mmm, thanks. it seems that even though the binary is bigger it executes a teeny bit faster. after the initial load, that is
2022-12-27 04:39:42 +0000 <freeside> i wonder if my x86 binaries are dynamically linked while my arm binaries are statically linked
2022-12-27 04:40:37 +0000 <dsal> I don't think anything's statically linked.
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2022-12-27 05:14:04 +0000 <Inst> hummm
2022-12-27 05:14:18 +0000 <Inst> not sure if this pisses too many people off, but I'm trying to translate dependently typed Julia code into Haskell
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2022-12-27 05:15:38 +0000 <Inst> i'm stalled because I can't figure out how to get overlapping instances to work properly
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2022-12-27 05:23:55 +0000 <money> So over that
2022-12-27 05:24:12 +0000 <money> Seamless like internal request accepted
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2022-12-27 05:48:49 +0000 <Inst> bleh, fuck me, I'm pretty sure this doesn't work because types don't exist at runtime
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2022-12-27 07:04:12 +0000 <Inst> so, ummm, is it impossible to do a dependently typed fizzbuzz in Haskell?
2022-12-27 07:06:49 +0000 <Inst> @jackdk: thanks, but it's still stalled
2022-12-27 07:06:49 +0000 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
2022-12-27 07:10:18 +0000 <dsal> Inst: Haskell doesn't haven't dependent types.
2022-12-27 07:10:26 +0000 <dsal> You might be able to get further with liquid haskell.
2022-12-27 07:10:32 +0000 <dsal> Otherwise, look at agda or idris.
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2022-12-27 07:25:43 +0000jakalx(~jakalx@base.jakalx.net) ()
2022-12-27 07:26:27 +0000 <Inst> dsal: so, but you get the pseudo DT implementation in Julia, right?
2022-12-27 07:26:49 +0000 <Inst> where multiple dispatch (their implementation of multiparameter typeclasses with some sort of instance resolution, I don't understand Haskell's instance resolution)
2022-12-27 07:26:55 +0000 <Inst> is used to handle the conditionals
2022-12-27 07:26:57 +0000 <dsal> I've never had any particular interest in julia.
2022-12-27 07:27:07 +0000 <Inst> I'm trying to port it to Haskell
2022-12-27 07:27:34 +0000jakalx(~jakalx@base.jakalx.net)
2022-12-27 07:27:52 +0000 <Inst> it's impossible to get >class FizzBuzz a b n where; fizzBuzz :: Proxy a -> Proxy b -> n -> String to work, right?
2022-12-27 07:27:53 +0000 <dsal> If you're wanting to do something with dependent types, you're not going to get very far with any released version of ghc. This is ongoing research.
2022-12-27 07:28:13 +0000 <money> Meh
2022-12-27 07:28:16 +0000 <money> Dependent nah
2022-12-27 07:28:20 +0000 <money> In need of yes
2022-12-27 07:28:24 +0000 <money> Upgrade yes
2022-12-27 07:28:27 +0000 <Inst> or, in other words, I can't have a type that functions as a conditional?
2022-12-27 07:28:30 +0000 <money> Depending never
2022-12-27 07:28:42 +0000 <money> Automatic synchronization
2022-12-27 07:28:51 +0000 <money> Private level
2022-12-27 07:29:09 +0000 <money> Like a VPN but real-time and fewer “users”
2022-12-27 07:29:13 +0000 <Inst> dsal, could you help?
2022-12-27 07:29:23 +0000 <dsal> You can do some primitive things with higher kinds, but if you want actual dependent types, you need a language that supports them. haskell doesn't.
2022-12-27 07:29:24 +0000 <Inst> just asking if what I'm trying to do specifically, is impossible
2022-12-27 07:29:33 +0000 <money> nope
2022-12-27 07:29:43 +0000 <money> system needs a few to catch on/up
2022-12-27 07:29:55 +0000 <money> 1 2 3 aaaannnnddd
2022-12-27 07:29:59 +0000 <money> Here()
2022-12-27 07:30:06 +0000 <Inst> I want a function that takes an Integer, outputs a String, but processes the integer via the typeclass instance resolution mechanism
2022-12-27 07:30:12 +0000 <Inst> that is hopeless, right?
2022-12-27 07:31:40 +0000 <c_wraith> It's not impossible to encode in GHC's extensions to the type system, but... It's really indirect.
2022-12-27 07:31:56 +0000 <Inst> bleh
2022-12-27 07:32:04 +0000 <Inst> I have a friend, or rather, a guy I hired to help me learn Haskell
2022-12-27 07:32:07 +0000 <c_wraith> To the point where when I pointed you at exactly what you needed to do something yesterday, you didn't even realize that's what I was doing.
2022-12-27 07:32:15 +0000 <Inst> maybe I can pay him to help me understand how to port the Julia pseudo-DT fizzbuzz to Haskell
2022-12-27 07:32:25 +0000 <Inst> yeah, I know
2022-12-27 07:33:13 +0000 <c_wraith> It's indirect and awkward and sometimes worth experimenting with just to see how well it works - or doesn't.
2022-12-27 07:33:17 +0000 <Inst> I guess I'll go pay him to be bothered by me isntead of being a relative Haskell noob bothering three different Haskell social medias
2022-12-27 07:33:23 +0000 <c_wraith> But it's not a great way to actually get things done.
2022-12-27 07:33:32 +0000 <Inst> c_wraith: of course
2022-12-27 07:33:43 +0000 <Inst> It's more of an experiment to try to understand Haskell better
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2022-12-27 07:38:10 +0000 <Inst> c_wraith: iirc, I never figured out how to get someNatVal to work
2022-12-27 07:38:30 +0000 <Inst> I ended up using reifyNat instead via jack's suggestion
2022-12-27 07:39:26 +0000 <c_wraith> they're the same thing. Well, it's a dual encoding, but they end up working the exact same way.
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2022-12-27 07:55:08 +0000 <Inst> the problem with someNatVal is that I couldn't figure out how to get the value out of the proxy
2022-12-27 07:55:17 +0000 <Inst> erm, out of the sum type
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2022-12-27 12:36:57 +0000 <MysteryLiezer> Testing IRC at the moment
2022-12-27 12:37:07 +0000 <MysteryLiezer> Looking to become a longtime user!
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2022-12-27 12:43:40 +0000 <MysteryLiezer> Checking to see if this works(?)
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2022-12-27 12:45:12 +0000 <chreekat> MysteryLiezer: 👋
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2022-12-27 12:45:45 +0000 <MysteryLiezer> Thanks for that!
2022-12-27 12:45:51 +0000 <MysteryLiezer> Still learning how to use all of this
2022-12-27 12:46:10 +0000 <MysteryLiezer> Will refrain from further populating this thread with my testing
2022-12-27 12:47:38 +0000 <Axman6> MysteryLiezer: welcome - do you have any haskell questions we can help with?
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2022-12-27 12:50:11 +0000 <MysteryLiezer> I will in just a few weeks!
2022-12-27 12:50:33 +0000 <MysteryLiezer> See you then!
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2022-12-27 13:01:38 +0000 <darkling> This is nothing to do with Haskell, but I'm hoping someone's had experience: I'm looking for an algorithm to lay out a DAG on the page in a particular way, and I'm having trouble finding keywords that lead to papers that do what I want.
2022-12-27 13:01:59 +0000 <darkling> Specifically, I want the resulting graph to look soething like this: https://carfax.org.uk/files/temp/drawing.svg
2022-12-27 13:02:13 +0000 <darkling> Minimising crossings, and avoiding overlaid lines.
2022-12-27 13:02:47 +0000 <darkling> Nodes may be different widths, and there may be an arbitrary number of layers (not just the two here)
2022-12-27 13:04:23 +0000 <darkling> Does anyone know of papers, reviews, or even just keywords from the graph-drawing community that would get me to find the right literature?
2022-12-27 13:05:04 +0000 <Axman6> graphviz would be the best place to start, it's got and documents a lot of algorithms for laying out graphs
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2022-12-27 13:06:54 +0000 <Axman6> and really, just outputting dot files and using graphviz is probably the best place to start
2022-12-27 13:06:56 +0000cheater(~Username@user/cheater)
2022-12-27 13:07:53 +0000 <darkling> Yeah, I want to do UI interaction with it, so using graphviz output directly is probably a non-starter.
2022-12-27 13:08:51 +0000 <Axman6> there are javascript libraries that are compatible too. alternatively you kight be able to find something in the diagrams package, but hothing interactive
2022-12-27 13:08:56 +0000 <Axman6> nothing*
2022-12-27 13:11:01 +0000 <darkling> The problem is, I don't know what people *call* this kind of layout, so I don't know what to look for.
2022-12-27 13:16:32 +0000 <Axman6> thats why I suggested graphviz, it documents its various algorithms with examples
2022-12-27 13:18:18 +0000 <darkling> I've played around with it, and had trouble finding settings in the command-line tools to do what I wanted, but I'll have a deeper trawl through the online docs in case there's stuff there that I didn't find.
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2022-12-27 16:11:23 +0000 <dgpratt[m]> @pl f a g = r g (h a)
2022-12-27 16:11:23 +0000 <lambdabot> f = flip r . h
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2022-12-27 17:08:30 +0000monochrom+b $a:money
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2022-12-27 17:12:53 +0000monochrom-o monochrom
2022-12-27 17:13:47 +0000 <monochrom> I was banning Gambino aka money aka polo because it is behaving as a highly irrelevant markov chain.
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2022-12-27 17:16:28 +0000 <Hecate> hahaha
2022-12-27 17:16:30 +0000 <Hecate> yeah
2022-12-27 17:17:06 +0000 <geekosaur> noticed that some time back, yeh
2022-12-27 17:17:14 +0000 <geekosaur> warned them both here and in #ghc
2022-12-27 17:18:20 +0000werneta(~werneta@70-142-214-115.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net)
2022-12-27 17:19:17 +0000 <geekosaur> wow, Hécate is taking on the Safe Haskell cesspool
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2022-12-27 17:21:15 +0000 <geekosaur> don't burn out
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2022-12-27 17:22:29 +0000 <monochrom> darkling: Does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force-directed_graph_drawing help?
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2022-12-27 17:23:23 +0000 <monochrom> maybe also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_drawing#Layout_methods for other methods
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2022-12-27 17:25:34 +0000 <darkling> I think "layered" is the best fit, and has a conveniently low-O() algorithm for the basic layout.
2022-12-27 17:27:09 +0000 <monochrom> https://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/51519/list-of-graph-layout-algorithms may help too.
2022-12-27 17:27:11 +0000 <darkling> Graphviz's "dot" layout engine does that, but doesn't do the rectilinear joining lines, and that's still something I'm looking for the relevant keywords for
2022-12-27 17:27:39 +0000 <Hecate> https://discourse.haskell.org/t/deprecating-safe-haskell-or-heavily-investing-in-it/5489
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2022-12-27 17:29:49 +0000 <monochrom> rectilinear is probably what's in Graph_drawing "Orthogonal layout methods". But it has no further links.
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2022-12-27 17:39:16 +0000 <darkling> I think a rectilinear graph is a bit different -- it can be drawn so that all the arcs are either horizontal or vertical. In my case, the arcs do both (two verticals and a horizontal for each arc).
2022-12-27 17:40:17 +0000 <darkling> You could probably add extra nodes to get the dog-legs in, but I think that's probably less contrained (and harder to solve) than something more special-case.
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2022-12-27 22:42:01 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> :m Numeric
2022-12-27 22:42:02 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> showFullPrecision x = showFFloat Nothing x ""
2022-12-27 22:42:20 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> i have that in my .ghci but i was wondering if i can make it like the default?
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2022-12-27 22:43:46 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> ghci> showFullPrecision $ 5/100
2022-12-27 22:43:48 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> "0.05"
2022-12-27 22:43:50 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> ghci> 5/100
2022-12-27 22:43:52 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> 5.0e-2
2022-12-27 22:44:02 +0000 <geekosaur> no, you can't override Show instances
2022-12-27 22:44:46 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> want to type 5/100 and get 0.05 lol :(
2022-12-27 22:44:48 +0000 <geekosaur> there is a way to replace the output routine, but it can't know the type of the thing being printed so it can't special case for Float/Double
2022-12-27 22:45:15 +0000waleee(~waleee@2001:9b0:213:7200:cc36:a556:b1e8:b340)
2022-12-27 22:45:51 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> oh wow just noticed haskell has banned money
2022-12-27 22:45:55 +0000 <hpc> > printf "%d" 0.05
2022-12-27 22:45:56 +0000 <lambdabot> error:
2022-12-27 22:45:57 +0000 <lambdabot> • Ambiguous type variable ‘a0’ arising from a use of ‘show_M168531161830...
2022-12-27 22:45:57 +0000 <lambdabot> prevents the constraint ‘(Show a0)’ from being solved.
2022-12-27 22:46:01 +0000 <hpc> bah
2022-12-27 22:46:19 +0000 <hpc> you probably want printf here
2022-12-27 22:46:29 +0000 <hpc> it's able to precisely control the formatting of a decimal number
2022-12-27 22:47:33 +0000 <monochrom> > printf "%f" 0.05 :: String
2022-12-27 22:47:35 +0000 <lambdabot> "0.05"
2022-12-27 22:47:37 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> (☭)=($) ; infixr 0 ☭
2022-12-27 22:47:45 +0000 <monochrom> %d is for Int or Integer
2022-12-27 22:48:03 +0000 <ggVGc> DigitalKiwi: why do you say Haskell has banned money?
2022-12-27 22:48:15 +0000 <ggVGc> If you want to represent exact values you can use Fractional, I think?
2022-12-27 22:48:24 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> 11:08 @monochrom set mode: +b $a:money
2022-12-27 22:48:25 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> 11:12 @monochrom kicked Gambino: Gambino
2022-12-27 22:48:29 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> joke ;p
2022-12-27 22:48:33 +0000 <monochrom> hee hee
2022-12-27 22:48:33 +0000 <ggVGc> ah, right
2022-12-27 22:48:45 +0000 <monochrom> But you want infixl, not infixr.
2022-12-27 22:48:58 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> i'm an anti-capitalist that's why i only type lowercase so i'm here for it
2022-12-27 22:49:08 +0000 <monochrom> Right? $ is capitalist right wing, ☭ is socialist left wing.
2022-12-27 22:49:21 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> hehehe
2022-12-27 22:49:22 +0000 <monochrom> It is actually now how I remember that $ is infixr.
2022-12-27 22:49:46 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> it's from a few days (weeks?) ago lol
2022-12-27 22:49:54 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> just had it in my up history
2022-12-27 22:52:01 +0000freeside(~mengwong@103.252.202.159)
2022-12-27 22:53:31 +0000 <ggVGc> would haskell be better or worse if we could use arbitrary unicode as operators?
2022-12-27 22:54:13 +0000 <darkling> Being able to use mathematical symbols would be nice.
2022-12-27 22:54:32 +0000 <darkling> Half a dozen stars from the Dingbats range... less so.
2022-12-27 22:54:34 +0000bgs(~bgs@212-85-160-171.dynamic.telemach.net)
2022-12-27 22:54:36 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> can we not?
2022-12-27 22:55:26 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> or are meaning function != operator
2022-12-27 22:55:37 +0000 <hpc> what we really need is full-program preprocessors so we can get ACME::Bleach ported over
2022-12-27 22:55:43 +0000 <ggVGc> Haskell has a set of predefined valid operators
2022-12-27 22:56:44 +0000 <ggVGc> personally I like making DSLs a lot, and for that being able to use anything for operators would be nice. But in the greater picture I think it's probably good to keep a lid on it
2022-12-27 22:56:57 +0000 <monochrom> Better and worse.
2022-12-27 22:57:00 +0000 <ggVGc> however, not sure how much better it is with the current set of valid operator constructs..
2022-12-27 22:57:04 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> len 5П> (☭)=($) ; infixl 0 ☭
2022-12-27 22:57:04 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> П> putStr ☭ "len " ++ show (length [1..5])
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2022-12-27 22:57:06 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> len 5П>
2022-12-27 22:57:09 +0000 <ggVGc> the haskell ecosystem is already quite insane with operators
2022-12-27 22:57:42 +0000 <ggVGc> It probably complicates the compiler more than necessary though
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2022-12-27 22:58:30 +0000 <ggVGc> hpc: isn't that TH?
2022-12-27 22:58:34 +0000 <geekosaur> not only does it allow you to use any unicode Symbol as an operator, it has UnicodeSyntax so you can use unicode → ⇒ etc.
2022-12-27 22:58:51 +0000 <hpc> even TH has limitations
2022-12-27 22:58:59 +0000 <geekosaur> also there is a full program preprocessor mode, see the -F option
2022-12-27 22:59:11 +0000eggplantade(~Eggplanta@2600:1700:38c5:d800:79de:2e5a:63dd:b89)
2022-12-27 22:59:17 +0000 <ggVGc> wait... no? you can't use anything as operators :/ Can you?
2022-12-27 22:59:22 +0000 <hpc> oh, yay
2022-12-27 22:59:22 +0000 <ggVGc> am I having a stroke
2022-12-27 22:59:35 +0000 <geekosaur> monochrom demonstrated earlier
2022-12-27 23:00:28 +0000freeside(~mengwong@103.252.202.159)
2022-12-27 23:00:41 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> also you can use ligatures too if you like
2022-12-27 23:00:46 +0000 <ggVGc> ah, wait, maybe what I am thinking about is some characters not being available as operators because of the core language
2022-12-27 23:00:49 +0000 <ggVGc> like @
2022-12-27 23:00:53 +0000 <monochrom> Err I think DigitalKiwi demonstrated it. :)
2022-12-27 23:01:03 +0000 <geekosaur> the only restriction is it must have a generalCategory of Symbol and not be something like parens
2022-12-27 23:01:04 +0000 <monochrom> But I can too!
2022-12-27 23:01:08 +0000 <geekosaur> oh yes, misread, sorry
2022-12-27 23:01:12 +0000 <ggVGc> well then, I guess the cat is already fully out of the bag then
2022-12-27 23:01:41 +0000 <geekosaur> you can't replace core syntax like @ | : though
2022-12-27 23:02:03 +0000 <monochrom> > let λ × µ = λ * µ in 4 × 5
2022-12-27 23:02:04 +0000 <lambdabot> 20
2022-12-27 23:02:46 +0000 <ggVGc> tried using unicode syntax in my Elixir work a few years ago. Didn't stick with it for long
2022-12-27 23:02:48 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> i think emacs will show -> as the unicode symbol → and => as ⇒ etc. pretty easily
2022-12-27 23:03:00 +0000 <monochrom> It has been allowed for like 20 years and the community has not abused it. This is how you know it's OK.
2022-12-27 23:03:05 +0000 <ggVGc> still waiting to be compelled by some example of unicode adding enough for it to be worth the hassle
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2022-12-27 23:03:26 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> i like that better than actually using the unicode because i can type -> but have to copy paste the unicode...but like looking at the unicode
2022-12-27 23:03:32 +0000 <ggVGc> DigitalKiwi: yeah, but that sucks a lot, since now you have one glyph that is actually 2 glyphs when editing
2022-12-27 23:03:37 +0000 <ggVGc> it's very confusing. I tried it...
2022-12-27 23:03:58 +0000 <ggVGc> I could never get used to it
2022-12-27 23:04:57 +0000 <ggVGc> monochrom: it might be time to implement a port of all of Prelude, in only unicode punctuation glyphs
2022-12-27 23:06:24 +0000 <monochrom> You know, as far as pointless discussions go, let's have the following instead.
2022-12-27 23:06:31 +0000jmdaemon(~jmdaemon@user/jmdaemon)
2022-12-27 23:06:42 +0000 <monochrom> Should "unicode" mean unicode, or should it mean "unicode minus ascii"?
2022-12-27 23:07:06 +0000 <monochrom> Because using the former, Prelude is already using unicode punctuations.
2022-12-27 23:07:33 +0000 <monochrom> Oh BTW you absolutely need to s/glyphs// , that's out of the question.
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2022-12-27 23:08:20 +0000 <monochrom> But usually for convenience people also say "rectangle" when they mean "excluding square", so maybe people say "unicode" when they mean "except ascii".
2022-12-27 23:08:51 +0000 <ggVGc> definitely "unicode" means "not ascii" for the most part for me
2022-12-27 23:09:08 +0000 <ggVGc> unless I'm having a technical spec discussion
2022-12-27 23:09:33 +0000 <ggVGc> anyway, sorry, I just started ranting to escape my physics studies I think
2022-12-27 23:10:04 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> * is just the unicode version of what * looks like isn't it
2022-12-27 23:10:09 +0000 <ggVGc> doing the last handins made me violently think about making a DSL in haskell for generating latex quicker...
2022-12-27 23:11:06 +0000 <monochrom> I did write code to convert haskell-land binary trees to tikz commands...
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2022-12-27 23:11:34 +0000 <monochrom> also to java-land binary trees haha
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2022-12-27 23:12:09 +0000 <monochrom> because I needed to hardcode some java-land binary trees for test cases.
2022-12-27 23:12:15 +0000 <ggVGc> possibly this was for a CS degree? Which makes it slightly more acceptable to write software for your homework
2022-12-27 23:12:58 +0000 <monochrom> I would rather think that CS homeworks are more amenable to automation.
2022-12-27 23:13:44 +0000 <monochrom> I wouldn't have a problem with automating philosophy homework, if there were something to automate.
2022-12-27 23:14:12 +0000 <monochrom> or rather, I'm a pragmatist utilitarian, so s/something to/something worthwhile to/
2022-12-27 23:14:30 +0000 <ggVGc> it's not about it being okay or not. It's about if you spend time writing software to support your physics handins, it's very likely that the handing will not be handed in on time :) At leats in my case
2022-12-27 23:14:31 +0000 <monochrom> I guess by now GPT helps.
2022-12-27 23:14:47 +0000 <monochrom> Right, there you go.
2022-12-27 23:15:23 +0000 <monochrom> It has always been about path of least action. Pun intended.
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2022-12-27 23:26:10 +0000 <mauke[m]> speaking of -> and →, the default font used in Element has a special ligature that displays "->" as a rightward arrow :-(
2022-12-27 23:27:34 +0000 <geekosaur> yeh
2022-12-27 23:28:01 +0000 <monochrom> Does it also have a ligature for <- ? :)
2022-12-27 23:28:23 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> i'd say the bigger problem is that you're using element lol ;(
2022-12-27 23:29:02 +0000 <mauke[m]> what's a good alternative?
2022-12-27 23:29:05 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> monochrom: if not element is fascist amirite
2022-12-27 23:29:14 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> glirc
2022-12-27 23:29:37 +0000 <geekosaur[m]> `<-`
2022-12-27 23:29:53 +0000 <geekosaur[m]> I see no ligature
2022-12-27 23:30:04 +0000 <geekosaur> there are other clients for matrix
2022-12-27 23:30:36 +0000 <mauke[m]> DigitalKiwi: that's IRC, not Matrix
2022-12-27 23:30:50 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> element is just the most insecure flagship client lol
2022-12-27 23:31:09 +0000 <geekosaur> at some point I want to test nheko
2022-12-27 23:31:50 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> Logs: https://ircbrowse.tomsmeding.com/browse/lchaskell "irc"
2022-12-27 23:31:53 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> seems we're on irc
2022-12-27 23:32:25 +0000 <mauke[m]> so far the most amazing part about Element is that Preferences > Settings > Keyboard does not let you set your keyboard preferences
2022-12-27 23:32:39 +0000 <DigitalKiwi> lmao
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