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| 2025-11-20 04:32:58 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> this gnome-session-xnomad was never provided by ubuntu, but i have found ppa for jammy, but thats long ago. |
| 2025-11-20 04:32:08 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> You told me to join here, sheesh. |
| 2025-11-20 04:32:08 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> I accept your apology. |
| 2025-11-20 04:32:04 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Fine. |
| 2025-11-20 04:31:57 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> I'm here trying to help you, still! |
| 2025-11-20 04:31:51 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> But absolutely, I didnt understand what you were saying, and I apologize. |
| 2025-11-20 04:31:50 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> yeah that's on you enigma |
| 2025-11-20 04:31:46 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> If there was nothing to debate, why are you here? |
| 2025-11-20 04:31:40 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> Still trying to help you, still trying to understand, as you still haven't explained. |
| 2025-11-20 04:31:18 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Oh so you want to talk to me now after calling me an idiot? No thanks. |
| 2025-11-20 04:31:06 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> or 25.04 |
| 2025-11-20 04:30:49 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> Nexilva: But can 24.04 users? |
| 2025-11-20 04:30:42 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> Nexilva: We're past that now fwiw; now we're trying to figure how you got xmonad working under gnome |
| 2025-11-20 04:30:35 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Xmonad simply doesn't work under Wayland. So Ubuntu 25.10+ Gnome users can't use Xmonad as their WM with the Gnome Desktop. |
| 2025-11-20 04:29:34 +0100 | <geekosaur> | they care only about gnome 3 these days |
| 2025-11-20 04:28:59 +0100 | <geekosaur> | and there's about zero chance the gnome devs will release a new gnome 2 without X11 support |
| 2025-11-20 04:28:33 +0100 | <geekosaur> | but that means you're actually running gnome 2 |
| 2025-11-20 04:28:23 +0100 | <geekosaur> | if gnome-flashback exists, telling gnome 3 to run an external window manager uses it |
| 2025-11-20 04:28:22 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> They're trying to argue about compositors etc. I'm simply informing them that there is a problem going forward in Ubuntu 25.10+ where gnome drops support for x11 sessions and only has Wayland session. |
| 2025-11-20 04:28:10 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> * gnome? |
| 2025-11-20 04:27:47 +0100 | <geekosaur> | and xmonad would need a major overhaul to work by plugging into a JS plugin |
| 2025-11-20 04:27:43 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> sounds like the real question is, how did Nexilva get xmonad running under gnome |
| 2025-11-20 04:26:51 +0100 | <geekosaur> | Gnome 3 window manager components are JS |
| 2025-11-20 04:26:27 +0100 | <geekosaur> | uh, is that even possible? Gnome-flashback wouldn't be affected, since it's Gnome 2 with a Gnome 3 theme |
| 2025-11-20 04:26:18 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> i can only find it for jammy and earlier, but perhaps its somewhere else and works for noble or plucky |
| 2025-11-20 04:25:59 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> but, i am now trying to understand, and it seems there was a 3rd party gnome-session-xmonad that would allow using xmonad within gnome as the WM |
| 2025-11-20 04:25:29 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> xmonad _can_ work on ubuntu 25.10 just not under GNOME |
| 2025-11-20 04:25:25 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> that part is clear to me, its ubuntyu 25.10 that includes gnome 49 that doesnt include xsession |
| 2025-11-20 04:24:56 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> +cause if |
| 2025-11-20 04:24:50 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> also please don't call it gnome/ubuntu 25.10 that's part of the confusion |
| 2025-11-20 04:23:56 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> in my defense, i jumped in late, it is only once i saw the argument in here that i understood the misunderstanding |
| 2025-11-20 04:19:38 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Someone even called me an idiot because I brought that up. They're like Xmonad and gnome have nothing to do with one another. Clearly they don't understand the core of the problem. |
| 2025-11-20 04:18:32 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> People in #support:ubuntu.com (https://matrix.to/#/#support:ubuntu.com) are arguing with me that Gnome/Ubuntu 25.10+ drop support for Xorg sessions doesn't affect Xmonad. They don't understand that some people use Gnome + Xmonad as their WM. |
| 2025-11-20 04:16:04 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <geekosaur (@geekosaur:matrix.org)> (but that bites me because I use xmonad with MATE and auth to Google services needs Gnome) |
| 2025-11-20 04:16:04 +0100 | OpenSource | (~OpenSourc@user/OpenSource) OpenSource |
| 2025-11-20 04:14:34 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <geekosaur (@geekosaur:matrix.org)> That's correct. It does have knock-on effects on other desktop environments, but xmonad itself isn't affected |
| 2025-11-20 04:14:33 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> He's also in this channel btw, I wasnt suggesting come to ubuntu channel. |
| 2025-11-20 03:58:19 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> Ubuntu has not removed Xorg in any way. If you have GNOME desktop installed, using that will require using wayland, but won't affect xmonad in any possible way. |
| 2025-11-20 03:57:44 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> There is an idiot in ubuntu support channel who is afraid to upgrade to ubuntu 25.10 cuz he thinks xmonad dont work anymore. Please let him know he's wrong. |
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