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2025-09-21 20:13:51 +0200 <haskellbridge> <geekosaur (@geekosaur:matrix.org)> * handling
2025-09-21 20:13:36 +0200 <haskellbridge> <geekosaur (@geekosaur:matrix.org)> Also you can point to xmobar as to strut handli
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2025-09-21 19:27:26 +0200aplainzetakind(~aplainzet@37.155.33.61) aplainzetakind
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2025-09-21 19:23:01 +0200 <geekosaur> mm, right, fi the applet isn't running the menu key isn't bound
2025-09-21 19:19:32 +0200 <aplainzetakind> I have no other way to access the menu without it, it seems (or I failed to find how).
2025-09-21 19:14:52 +0200 <haskellbridge> <geekosaur (@geekosaur:matrix.org)> If you're not using it, you can remove it
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2025-09-21 18:59:19 +0200 <aplainzetakind> Alright. Thanks a lot. I will open an issue on the mate-panel repo. I don't really have much use for the panel, I only need it to open the main mint menu (which seems not to be accessible without the panel). And I can have a keyboard shortcut for the menu too, so the panel could remain always hidden for all I care (except unfortunately that's not an option). I'll just live with its accidental expansions.
2025-09-21 18:55:03 +0200 <geekosaur> okay, I just reproduced your issue here (Ubuntu, but Mint at least used to be based on Ubuntu). this is clearly a mate-panel bug and about the only possible workaround is the handleEventHook I mentioned
2025-09-21 18:52:20 +0200 <geekosaur> then I think your only option is to file a bug against mate-panel
2025-09-21 18:51:03 +0200 <aplainzetakind> Well I have gaps and the panel being partially visible through the gaps makes things pretty ugly.
2025-09-21 18:49:32 +0200 <geekosaur> what might work better would be not using autohide, but instead using toggleStruts with the default being off instead of on: https://github.com/geekosaur/xmonad.hs/blob/hilfy-2023/xmonad.hs#L183
2025-09-21 18:49:02 +0200 <aplainzetakind> So it seems it doesn't change really.
2025-09-21 18:48:49 +0200 <aplainzetakind> The moment I click on the panel with xprop, it is expanded, and reads _NET_WM_STRUT(CARDINAL) = 0, 0, 0, 1
2025-09-21 18:48:28 +0200 <geekosaur> also our toggle binding won't work right if the panel's on top. (there is a way to do it, it's somewhat annoying though. You'd need a handleEventHook that raised the panel on every run.)
2025-09-21 18:47:09 +0200 <geekosaur> you'll have to convince the panel to do that, since EWMH specifies that panels are self-managing and window managers can only react to them. (Our toggle keybinding is technically a violation of EWMH.) It may also mean mate-panel doesn't change its struts when it expands, which I think is also a violation.
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2025-09-21 18:43:57 +0200 <aplainzetakind> So for my use case, some kind of "always on top" behaviour is really better.
2025-09-21 18:43:35 +0200 <aplainzetakind> Ah, OK. Here's the thing. I autohide the panel, so it expands when my pointer hits the bottom. Struts apparently aren't aware of that, because it's 1px tall. If I disable autohiding, then windows get away as expected.
2025-09-21 18:33:51 +0200 <geekosaur> (I'm not sure why paste.tomsmeding.com doesn't render the AA icons correctly)
2025-09-21 18:33:25 +0200 <geekosaur> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/jBYoFaTY note _NET_WM_STRUT_PARTIAL and _NET_WM_STRUT toward the top
2025-09-21 18:30:59 +0200 <geekosaur> it should be, it sets struts as well
2025-09-21 18:17:17 +0200 <aplainzetakind> And concerning ManageDocks, I already use desktopConfig, which seems to use `docks` anyway. And my windows get away from xmobar when I launch it, so it seems to kind of work, but for some reason mate-panel is not treated the same?
2025-09-21 18:15:00 +0200 <Enrico63> Leary, wow, thanks!
2025-09-21 18:08:14 +0200 <Leary> Enrico63: Try X.L.Reflect.
2025-09-21 18:07:38 +0200 <aplainzetakind> I don't think anything else is managing the mouse. What sort of thing would that be anyway?
2025-09-21 18:05:34 +0200 <Enrico63> to the left means that the main column text begins as far as possible from the left end of the monitor. ThreeColMid reduces this problem a bit. But ultimately, I think I'd prefer an hypothetical ThreeColRight
2025-09-21 18:05:34 +0200 <Enrico63> Layout related question. I've been using ThreeColMid for a week or so, and now I'm trying ThreeCol. But for some reason I'd prefer to have the main column as the right-most column. Is there a solution? The reason is that most windows are textual (browser, terminal, ...), and text starts at the left (yes, for LTR scripts), so having the main column
2025-09-21 18:05:33 +0200 <Enrico63> Re-asking, as I didn't get any answer yet (I've checked the logs).
2025-09-21 18:03:06 +0200aplainzetakind(~aplainzet@37.155.33.61) aplainzetakind
2025-09-21 18:02:57 +0200Enrico63(~Enrico63@2a0b:e541:10d0:0:9efc:e8ff:fe24:3213) Enrico63
2025-09-21 17:59:40 +0200Buliarou1(~gypsydang@46.232.210.139) Buliarous
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2025-09-21 16:58:01 +0200MrElendig(~Urist@archlinux/op/MrElendig) MrElendig
2025-09-21 16:54:47 +0200 <geekosaur> request 28 is XGrabButton. that's somewhat weird, is something else already managing your mouse?