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| 2025-08-15 06:17:53 +0200 | haskellbridge | (~hackager@syn-096-028-224-214.res.spectrum.com) hackager |
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| 2025-08-15 05:53:29 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> I know Haskell well enough to understand the XMonad code, but actually learning all the library functions and types involved to make this work will take me a long while. I've figured out where NixOS put its session output, so I can use this module as it currently is. |
| 2025-08-15 05:52:07 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I've never been very happy about people having to figure out where their session output is (if it's there at all: some systems cap it via cgroups) to use it |
| 2025-08-15 05:51:17 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I want to |
| 2025-08-15 05:51:04 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Anyways, what exists now works for me. You don't need to worry about spawning a new window for ManageDebug output unless you want to. |
| 2025-08-15 05:48:42 +0200 | <geekosaur> | which is why the type has a MonadIO constraint |
| 2025-08-15 05:48:34 +0200 | <geekosaur> | "io" is short for liftIO |
| 2025-08-15 05:47:17 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Wait... is that still running unsafePerformIO? I can't tell. |
| 2025-08-15 05:46:36 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> https://xmonad.github.io/xmonad-docs/xmonad/src/XMonad.Core.html#trace |
| 2025-08-15 05:46:07 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I guess that means I can get away with plumbing a Handle to an xmessage through there after all |
| 2025-08-15 05:45:23 +0200 | <geekosaur> | hah. it's from XMonad.Core |
| 2025-08-15 05:44:52 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> I'm going to assume this is some weirdness related to X.C.Prime and just not worry about this. |
| 2025-08-15 05:44:16 +0200 | <geekosaur> | yeh, I just saw that |
| 2025-08-15 05:44:08 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Hovering my mouse over "trace" there shows me "MonadIO m => m ()" as the signature. |
| 2025-08-15 05:43:28 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> https://xmonad.github.io/xmonad-docs/xmonad-contrib/src/XMonad.Hooks.ManageDebug.html#debugManageH… |
| 2025-08-15 05:42:50 +0200 | <geekosaur> | that should be it, maybe we do have a different trace in scope |
| 2025-08-15 05:41:53 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> But I found this: https://xmonad.github.io/xmonad-docs/xmonad-contrib/ |
| 2025-08-15 05:41:48 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Not sure if this is the live docs, or just a different domain showing the same haddocks. |
| 2025-08-15 05:40:25 +0200 | <geekosaur> | not currently |
| 2025-08-15 05:38:37 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Is there a new release planned? |
| 2025-08-15 05:38:25 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I can never remember where they live |
| 2025-08-15 05:38:16 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I think if you use (and can find) the live docs it's been fixed and will go live with the next release |
| 2025-08-15 05:37:37 +0200 | <geekosaur> | but haddock insists on linking to everything it exports |
| 2025-08-15 05:37:21 +0200 | <geekosaur> | that's a bug in how we have things set up. X.C.Prime is an ancient experiment that went nowhere |
| 2025-08-15 05:36:04 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> I think that's not the same "trace" as DebugManage uses. |
| 2025-08-15 05:35:49 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> I was viewing the source code on the Hackage site and the mouse hover info was showing me the signature for this "trace" https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.18.1/docs/XMonad-Config-Prime.html#v:trace |
| 2025-08-15 05:32:49 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Oh.. So that's not actually "real" I/O. Got it. I see now why opening a window for debug output would be hard. |
| 2025-08-15 05:32:16 +0200 | <geekosaur> | which is why it has to use debugBelch: you run into problems with locked Handles otherwise |
| 2025-08-15 05:31:58 +0200 | <geekosaur> | trace uses unsafePerformIO |
| 2025-08-15 05:30:45 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Or is that a different because "trace" is "MonadIO" action and not an "X Monad" action? |
| 2025-08-15 05:30:31 +0200 | <dpn> | *grabs popcorn* |
| 2025-08-15 05:30:03 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> geekosaur: Isn't calling "trace" technically doing I/O? |
| 2025-08-15 05:29:08 +0200 | <dpn> | being able to summon a window for the log would be pretty amazing |
| 2025-08-15 05:23:33 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I've been thinking about how to capture output to a window without having to plumb I/O through the pure parts of a manageHook |
| 2025-08-15 05:23:12 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Ah. I se. |
| 2025-08-15 05:22:52 +0200 | <geekosaur> | you look at wherever stderr (not stdout; it actually uses the RTS's debugBelch internally iirc) is going. |
| 2025-08-15 05:21:03 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Looking at the code, I see you're just using "trace". But won't that write so stdout? How would I view those messages while xmonad is running? |
| 2025-08-15 05:19:49 +0200 | <dpn> | i basically only use irc to come here now - might be more convenient to use matrix. cheers |
| 2025-08-15 05:19:29 +0200 | <geekosaur> | if you /whois haskellbridge you'll get a list (well, a URL containing a list) |
| 2025-08-15 05:19:05 +0200 | <geekosaur> | yes, haskellbridge bridges a number of Haskell IRC channels to matrix.org rooms |
| 2025-08-15 05:19:04 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> When I use things like debugManageNextWindow, where do the messages get put? Does XMonad have a log file? |
| 2025-08-15 05:18:54 +0200 | <dpn> | ahh cool - I really want to use matrix more... usually an up hill battle trying to convince other people to |
| 2025-08-15 05:18:21 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> I'm using matrix via Element's Web client. |
| 2025-08-15 05:17:50 +0200 | <geekosaur> | it's not a problem, and both hlint and I think ghc (with -Wall) will warn you |
| 2025-08-15 05:17:40 +0200 | <dpn> | sorry using catgirl and didn't realise the brige messages were a portal - where's the other end? |