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2021-10-22 03:33:54 +0000 <L29Ah> i see there's https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-0.15/docs/XMonad-ManageHook.html#v:-61--63- for exact matching of window properties
2021-10-22 03:34:30 +0000 <L29Ah> how should i match a prefix of a window property?
2021-10-22 03:52:24 +0000 <fizzie> You can look at the definition of =?, namely: q =? x = fmap (== x) q
2021-10-22 03:52:26 +0000 <fizzie> And then do the same thing except with isPrefixOf.
2021-10-22 03:54:42 +0000 <fizzie> IOW, fmap ("foo" `isPrefixOf`) should work for converting a Query String to a Query Bool.
2021-10-22 03:55:19 +0000 <L29Ah> thanks
2021-10-22 04:00:22 +0000 <fizzie> There's also https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/XMonad-Hooks-ManageHelpers.html#v:isI… which isn't exactly "prefix" but "contains" instead.
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2021-10-22 05:20:00 +0000 <Solid> people have asked for a prefix thing quite often lately
2021-10-22 05:20:09 +0000 <Solid> I guess we should provide that
2021-10-22 05:21:02 +0000 <Solid> it would even fit nicely into the language is we called it `(^?)` or something (which would also give us `(~?)` for and `isInfixOf` variant
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2021-10-22 07:04:58 +0000 <mc47[m]> Solid I just needed that lately too
2021-10-22 07:05:31 +0000 <mc47[m]> Might be worth it to explain how to create custom predicates (e.g. tell them about fmap)
2021-10-22 07:27:28 +0000mc47(~mc47@xmonad/TheMC47)
2021-10-22 07:28:14 +0000 <mc47> geekosaur: my medium concern is about changing WSPP from WSPP' (WorkspaceId -> String) to WSPP' (PP -> WorkspaceId -> String) so fallbackPrinters can be useful
2021-10-22 07:28:40 +0000 <mc47> the small concern is about exposing -?>
2021-10-22 07:37:58 +0000JasonFischmann[m(~sogensmat@2001:470:69fc:105::1:20a1)
2021-10-22 07:39:07 +0000 <JasonFischmann[m> is there any way of getting xmonad working with gnome 40 like dwm-gnome and awesome-gnome on the arch user repository ?
2021-10-22 07:39:24 +0000 <JasonFischmann[m> theres a way to do it with gnome 3 but it no longer works
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2021-10-22 08:23:32 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> <Arcanus[m]> "I just had a major update for..." <- This will help you update your config: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/blob/master/CHANGES.md
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2021-10-22 09:10:33 +0000 <liskin> JasonFischmann[m: no idea but I'd think that if it worked with gnome 38 it should work with 40 and if it doesn't it's a bug in either gnome or xmonad or the glue between them
2021-10-22 09:10:55 +0000 <liskin> so the best course of action is to try to diagnose what's wrong with the thing that worked before
2021-10-22 09:11:32 +0000 <liskin> Arcanus[m]: what major update, what broke in your config?
2021-10-22 09:12:54 +0000 <liskin> mc47: hm, this PP -> thing is worring me. it's like having two nested readers :-/
2021-10-22 09:13:08 +0000 <liskin> mc47: but it may be good in practice, it just feels wrong :-)
2021-10-22 09:13:15 +0000 <mc47> It does feel wrong
2021-10-22 09:14:17 +0000 <mc47> We could just leave it as is and change post-release if we see fit
2021-10-22 09:14:33 +0000 <mc47> it would be a breaking change though
2021-10-22 09:19:57 +0000 <liskin> I guess I'll need to checkout the code again and play with it
2021-10-22 09:20:11 +0000 <liskin> (which means, not now, hopefully today)
2021-10-22 09:22:20 +0000 <liskin> or if you have time to play with it now, what would it look like if PP was added to WS?
2021-10-22 09:22:47 +0000 <liskin> (I say 9f6f7b183ad47f931344 just now, it looks okay actually, just still feels wrong)
2021-10-22 09:22:51 +0000 <liskin> *saw
2021-10-22 09:29:16 +0000 <mc47> The important thing is not to delay the release because of this ;) I doubt that many people would actually use it, so it would be okay to break later
2021-10-22 11:07:57 +0000 <Arcanus[m]> <liskin> "Arcanus: what major update, what..." <- ``` (6/8) Recompiling Xmonad now because of Haskell updates ...... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/3ec43c528720cd108cacc63581b1e8c96ffd…)
2021-10-22 11:09:25 +0000 <Arcanus[m]> this is what happened when I tried to start xmonad after the update. xmonad still runs, and the changes don't seem to actually affect anything major in my actual config, but this happens every time I try to recompile so I guess I have some cleaning up to do
2021-10-22 11:13:40 +0000 <Solid> Arcanus[m]: they don't seem to affect anything because xmonad simply uses the old binary of the compilation fails
2021-10-22 11:14:44 +0000 <Solid> something tells me that you're using Arch, perhaps try running `sudo ghc-pkg recache` to sync ghc's cache
2021-10-22 11:17:47 +0000 <Arcanus[m]> Solid: hahaha, I forgot to mention, I run arch btw
2021-10-22 11:21:44 +0000 <Solid> dynamically linking Haskell is the worst thing any distro has ever done
2021-10-22 11:21:59 +0000 <Solid> and then it happens to the distro whose users seems to have a larger overlap with xmonad users than normal
2021-10-22 11:22:02 +0000 <Solid> sigh
2021-10-22 11:22:51 +0000 <evilop> can look at it the other way too, not having sane dynamic linking support is the worst thing ghc have done :p
2021-10-22 11:22:59 +0000 <Arcanus[m]> <Solid> "something tells me that you're..." <- ran the command, then recompiled this is the error I'm getting now:
2021-10-22 11:22:59 +0000 <Arcanus[m]> ```error detected while loading xmonad configuration file /home/user/.xmonad/xmonad.hs
2021-10-22 11:22:59 +0000 <Arcanus[m]> collect2: fatal error: Id terminated with signal 7 [Bus error], core dumped compilation terminated. 'cc' failed in phase 'Linker'. Exit code: 1)
2021-10-22 11:22:59 +0000 <Arcanus[m]> Please check the file for errors.```
2021-10-22 11:23:51 +0000 <Solid> evilop: dynamic linking is the devil, so agree to disagree there :>
2021-10-22 11:24:35 +0000 <Solid> (but that desire should not be an excuse for Arch to flip the middle finger to all Haskell users...)
2021-10-22 11:24:41 +0000 <Arcanus[m]> and....now I can't close any windows...I will have to log out
2021-10-22 11:25:22 +0000 <Arcanus[m]> Solid: which distro works best with xmonad?
2021-10-22 11:26:28 +0000 <Solid> by default; any distro but Arch (and possibly its derivatives :)) But even on Arch you can install stack-static (I think it's called that) and install xmonad via stack
2021-10-22 11:26:53 +0000 <Solid> which is imo the easiest "reliable" setup one can have
2021-10-22 11:27:26 +0000 <Solid> (see https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/blob/master/INSTALL.md#build-xmonad )
2021-10-22 11:27:32 +0000 <alternateved> So stack-static would be better option than installing stack with the sh script from stack page?
2021-10-22 11:27:50 +0000 <evilop> sidenote, I've have had more issues with xmonad on ubuntu than on arch
2021-10-22 11:27:50 +0000 <alternateved> Better for Arch-based distributions, I mean.
2021-10-22 11:28:18 +0000 <evilop> when not wanting to use the ancient version packaged for it
2021-10-22 11:28:46 +0000 <Solid> alternateved: I haven't used Arch in some time, so I can't say for sure
2021-10-22 11:28:58 +0000 <Solid> (and no idea what that script does)
2021-10-22 11:29:25 +0000 <evilop> (also ubuntu shipping ghc7 named as ghc6 was just hillarious)
2021-10-22 11:29:59 +0000 <Solid> lol
2021-10-22 11:30:03 +0000 <alternateved> Yeah, me neither. But I advised someone lately to use stack to manage xmonad and it seems that after a while stack disappeared from PATH
2021-10-22 11:30:15 +0000 <alternateved> At least that is how I understand that guy's issue.
2021-10-22 11:30:58 +0000 <evilop> that sounds like the user changing some user config regarding his shell
2021-10-22 11:31:46 +0000 <alternateved> Maybe, I cannot be sure what that user was doing on his computer.
2021-10-22 11:32:20 +0000 <alternateved> I only know that he had poor experience with Arch xmonad-git package and then he had poor experience with the stack
2021-10-22 11:32:33 +0000 <alternateved> This is the script if anyone is curious https://get.haskellstack.org/
2021-10-22 11:33:56 +0000 <Arcanus[m]> alternateved: I shall check it out post haste
2021-10-22 11:33:56 +0000 <Arcanus[m]> does this mean I need to re isntall and re-write my xmonad config?
2021-10-22 11:35:10 +0000 <alternateved> I'll leave that answer to someone more competent.
2021-10-22 11:35:39 +0000 <alternateved> But I have to say, when I was using Arch, stack was the only viable option for me.
2021-10-22 11:36:27 +0000 <alternateved> Using anything from Arch or Arch User Repositories quickly led to some breakage
2021-10-22 11:37:33 +0000 <alternateved> But I also wanted to use xmonad compiled from source (since I saw the TUTORIAL.md page), which does some things better
2021-10-22 11:37:58 +0000 <Arcanus[m]> that's so weird, I've been using it for a while, well, since I switched to arch and haven't had any problems with it until now
2021-10-22 11:37:58 +0000 <Arcanus[m]> besides being unable to figure out how to properly configure my xmobar
2021-10-22 12:03:11 +0000 <Solid> Arcanus[m]: you don't have to write your config, no
2021-10-22 12:03:20 +0000 <Solid> s/write/rewrite/
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2021-10-22 14:37:50 +0000 <Solid> liskin: ewmhFullscreen does not work without ewmh, right?
2021-10-22 14:40:38 +0000 <alternateved> It seems it does work.
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2021-10-22 14:41:31 +0000 <liskin> Solid: it might, but it's not guaranteed; contents of the _NET_SUPPORTED property is undefined without ewmh, and ewmhFullscreen just adds to it
2021-10-22 14:42:09 +0000 <liskin> if someone replaces a fully EWMH-compliant WM with xmonad with ewmhFullscreen without ewmh, hillarity will ensue
2021-10-22 14:42:38 +0000 <liskin> (quite possibly a difficult to detect hillarity)
2021-10-22 14:43:57 +0000 <liskin> after #625, however, using just ewmhFullscreen will be valid (not that I'm going to test that usecase, but I will consider bug reports about it serious)
2021-10-22 14:51:04 +0000 <Solid> liskin: I was mainly thinking about the fact that we know get a deprecation warning in X.L.Fullscreen (and since we show deprecation warnings to users during recompilation this may be undesirable for people who compile contrib alongside their config file)
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2021-10-22 14:52:43 +0000 <liskin> Solid: I see
2021-10-22 14:53:01 +0000 <liskin> I did spend considerable time thinking and writing code to get rid of that particular warning
2021-10-22 14:53:14 +0000 <liskin> and then I threw it all away and decided it's not worth it
2021-10-22 14:54:14 +0000 <liskin> but you do have a good point that people using the StackGhc recompile method will get warned about this, I did not consider that
2021-10-22 14:54:46 +0000 <liskin> so I suggest that we silence deprecations in X.L.Fullscreen until #625 is done
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2021-10-22 15:04:44 +0000 <liskin> actually not, xmonad --recompile invokes stack build --silent
2021-10-22 15:05:24 +0000 <liskin> so this only affects people with custom build scripts, hm
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2021-10-22 18:15:43 +0000Solidfeels like we need to standardise how we write xmonad
2021-10-22 18:15:51 +0000 <Solid> as in, the actual name of the thing
2021-10-22 18:16:02 +0000 <Solid> is it "xmonad" or "XMonad"? :)
2021-10-22 18:17:10 +0000 <liskin> oh, right, it's inconsistent right on the xmonad homepage :-)
2021-10-22 18:17:59 +0000 <liskin> we could interpret "xmonad" as the core repo/package and "XMonad" as the whole
2021-10-22 18:20:37 +0000 <Solid> Yeah it's all over the place everywhere
2021-10-22 18:20:52 +0000 <Solid> I have a feeling it's because Xmonad (say, when the name is at the start of a sentence) looks so bad
2021-10-22 18:21:08 +0000 <Solid> (also the namespace, of course)
2021-10-22 18:21:37 +0000 <geekosaur> there's alkso xmoinad the executable vs. the package or the whole
2021-10-22 18:21:50 +0000 <geekosaur> *also xmonad
2021-10-22 18:21:56 +0000 <geekosaur> I kan tipe gud
2021-10-22 18:22:05 +0000 <Solid> :D
2021-10-22 18:22:45 +0000 <Solid> using xmonad only for the core repo/package/executable sounds like a good idea, but also like a nightmare to enforce
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2021-10-22 18:38:47 +0000 <liskin> well what's the worst that could happen
2021-10-22 18:39:08 +0000 <liskin> someone will need to clean it up again in 5 years time :-)
2021-10-22 18:40:04 +0000 <geekosaur> I have to imagineother projects have this problem
2021-10-22 18:40:24 +0000 <geekosaur> it sometimes helps to have a conventions document, but then you have to hope people read it
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2021-10-22 18:49:41 +0000 <alternateved> I am not sure if you would achieve anything with that matter. Check how it works with other window managers.
2021-10-22 18:50:27 +0000 <alternateved> Ways how people are naming them are also all over the place
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2021-10-22 22:42:53 +0000 <mc47[m]> The naming conventions are a bit confusing, I remember scratching my head a bit figuring out whether to write XMonad or xmonad while writing my report
2021-10-22 22:43:58 +0000 <geekosaur> conventions? ain't any at this point :þ
2021-10-22 22:45:36 +0000 <geekosaur> I personally have tried to follow some simple conventions (XMonad for the project, xmonad for the package/repo, `xmonad` for the executable) but even there I usually give up when amending someone else's writing where I usually can't fathom any usable convention
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2021-10-22 22:59:05 +0000 <mc47[m]> Let the free market decide the conventions
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2021-10-22 23:43:47 +0000 <liskin> hm, I wanted to rearrange CHANGES.md in xmonad but I can't decide what to do, everything seems either breaking or important to me :-)
2021-10-22 23:50:54 +0000 <liskin> if GitHub is to be believed (which I'm not sure about as the payout numbers seem messed up), we should have about $820 in balance after Open Collective processes the transaction
2021-10-22 23:50:54 +0000 <geekosaur> if it involves core, it probably is one or the other
2021-10-22 23:51:05 +0000 <liskin> geekosaur: yeah, core
2021-10-22 23:51:34 +0000 <geekosaur> hm, guess I didn't phrase that well. s/if/given that/
2021-10-22 23:51:51 +0000 <liskin> ah
2021-10-22 23:52:15 +0000 <liskin> so I guess I'll leave this bit for Solid to tackle as he originally suggested that :-)
2021-10-22 23:54:28 +0000 <liskin> I wanted to make the announcement post a bit less formal (perhaps even a picture or two?) and add a section about the fundraiser, so that's my priority for tomorrow, and the announcement mail should be prepared too (will it be the same or a shorter version?)
2021-10-22 23:58:18 +0000 <geekosaur> dibs on https://wiki.haskell.org/wikiupload/thumb/9/9c/Xmonad-lambdacat.jpg/300px-Xmonad-lambdacat.jpg
2021-10-22 23:58:35 +0000 <liskin> :-D
2021-10-22 23:59:11 +0000 <liskin> please do post more, I'm really bad at internet memes
2021-10-22 23:59:43 +0000 <geekosaur> I'm not really that much better but that one's on the wiki front page and I do find it amusing