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| 2026-07-03 07:58:22 +0000 | comerijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn |
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| 2026-07-03 08:15:22 +0000 | jreicher | (~joelr@user/jreicher) jreicher |
| 2026-07-03 08:53:47 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | monochrom: even without -threaded, because the loop allocates, the scheduler should run other stuff too |
| 2026-07-03 08:54:20 +0000 | danza | (~danza@user/danza) danza |
| 2026-07-03 08:54:44 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | and assuming a scheduler that divides processor time roughly equally if multiple threads are runnable, that should only take up roughly half of the CPU time |
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| 2026-07-03 09:01:02 +0000 | Googulator | (~Googulato@team.broadbit.hu) |
| 2026-07-03 09:03:00 +0000 | danz86816 | (~danza@user/danza) danza |
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| 2026-07-03 09:10:24 +0000 | rainbyte | (~rainbyte@181.47.219.31) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2026-07-03 09:12:52 +0000 | danz86816 | (~danza@user/danza) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-07-03 09:13:07 +0000 | danza | (~danza@user/danza) danza |
| 2026-07-03 09:13:11 +0000 | rainbyte | (~rainbyte@181.47.219.31) rainbyte |
| 2026-07-03 09:13:53 +0000 | <comerijn> | tomsmeding: I can imagine some degenerate cases pretty easily |
| 2026-07-03 09:14:02 +0000 | <comerijn> | Since the GHC scheduler is non-preempting |
| 2026-07-03 09:15:27 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | comerijn: I know it's not preempting, but doesn't an allocation implicitly count as a yield point? |
| 2026-07-03 09:16:23 +0000 | <jaror> | I tried to make a reproducer: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/VxBoNFbx |
| 2026-07-03 09:16:34 +0000 | <comerijn> | tomsmeding: Only when you trigger GC |
| 2026-07-03 09:16:42 +0000 | <comerijn> | tomsmeding: iirc |
| 2026-07-03 09:16:54 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | what, really? The scheduler only switches tasks on GC? |
| 2026-07-03 09:16:56 +0000 | <comerijn> | The allocation happy path doesn't preempt I don't think? |
| 2026-07-03 09:17:03 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | oh right, on nursery GC |
| 2026-07-03 09:17:14 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | well they did say that this loop was responsible for >50% of their app's allocations |
| 2026-07-03 09:17:27 +0000 | <comerijn> | That said, there was barely any reason to not use -threaded 10 years ago |
| 2026-07-03 09:17:31 +0000 | <comerijn> | There's even less reason now |
| 2026-07-03 09:17:41 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | in context it's unclear whether that diagnosis is accurate, but if it is, then the point about "task switching happens only at GC" is moot :p |
| 2026-07-03 09:17:54 +0000 | <jaror> | But the elapsed time does not change |
| 2026-07-03 09:18:17 +0000 | <comerijn> | hold up |
| 2026-07-03 09:18:23 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | jaror: if you swap line 20 for line 21? |
| 2026-07-03 09:18:27 +0000 | <comerijn> | Did the default GC settings get changed yet? |
| 2026-07-03 09:18:30 +0000 | <jaror> | yeah |
| 2026-07-03 09:18:36 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | comerijn: to what |
| 2026-07-03 09:18:37 +0000 | <jaror> | It only affects mutator time |
| 2026-07-03 09:18:38 +0000 | <comerijn> | Or is -threaded still using parallel GC |
| 2026-07-03 09:18:47 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | nonmoving GC is not default AFAIK |
| 2026-07-03 09:18:53 +0000 | <comerijn> | tomsmeding: That's not what I mean |
| 2026-07-03 09:18:58 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | oh |
| 2026-07-03 09:19:04 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | you mean +RTS -qg? |
| 2026-07-03 09:19:06 +0000 | <comerijn> | yeah |
| 2026-07-03 09:19:18 +0000 | <comerijn> | I'm out of the loop if that's default yet |
| 2026-07-03 09:19:23 +0000 | <comerijn> | And if not, definitely try that first |
| 2026-07-03 09:19:38 +0000 | <comerijn> | It's especially heinous with -N |
| 2026-07-03 09:19:43 +0000 | foul_owl | (~kerry@94.156.149.95) foul_owl |
| 2026-07-03 09:20:04 +0000 | <comerijn> | That is my initial spidey sense looking at that code |
| 2026-07-03 09:20:30 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | jaror: when main exits, the thread also exits, right? (I forget) |
| 2026-07-03 09:20:37 +0000 | <comerijn> | Yes |
| 2026-07-03 09:20:45 +0000 | <comerijn> | Also |
| 2026-07-03 09:20:54 +0000 | <comerijn> | Not that most STM operations are **not** fair |
| 2026-07-03 09:20:57 +0000 | <comerijn> | *Note |
| 2026-07-03 09:21:12 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | I have a rough idea of how STM is implemented in the RTS |
| 2026-07-03 09:21:21 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | it has no concurrency guarantees whatsoever |
| 2026-07-03 09:21:26 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | it just works most of the time |
| 2026-07-03 09:21:35 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | there's even locks |
| 2026-07-03 09:21:50 +0000 | <comerijn> | of course, how else would you have transactional behaviour |
| 2026-07-03 09:22:00 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | you have lock-free and even wait-free STM algorithms |
| 2026-07-03 09:22:10 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | they are probably slower than what's in the RTS though :p |
| 2026-07-03 09:22:10 +0000 | <comerijn> | but my point is more that, unlike MVar and other blocking operations guarantee fairness in terms of thread activity |
| 2026-07-03 09:22:24 +0000 | <comerijn> | And since we we're discussing equal division of thread activity earlier |
| 2026-07-03 09:22:35 +0000 | <comerijn> | STM does **not** actively ensure that |
| 2026-07-03 09:22:55 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | comerijn: STM is most actively unfair when you have a repeated small transaction invalidating a larger transaction |
| 2026-07-03 09:23:15 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | this is a very small transaction that runs very often, so that sounds like the prototypical "nothing else can ever do anything situation" |
| 2026-07-03 09:23:22 +0000 | <comerijn> | tomsmeding: Sure, but you still get thundering herd races if you have lots of threads |
| 2026-07-03 09:23:25 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | but: if the queue is empty, flushTQueue doesn't do any writeTVar |
| 2026-07-03 09:23:40 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | and when it succeeds, it empties the queue |
| 2026-07-03 09:23:41 +0000 | <comerijn> | jaror: What exactly are you trying to do? It's not really clear from this example |
| 2026-07-03 09:23:56 +0000 | <comerijn> | i.e. do you really need/want a transactional queue |
| 2026-07-03 09:24:03 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | so after the flushTQueue has succeeded, another transaction should be able to get in |
| 2026-07-03 09:24:20 +0000 | <jaror> | I'm just trying to make a reproducer of absentia's problem |
| 2026-07-03 09:24:28 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | comerijn: there was someone here yesterday who complained about very slow code and found out that they were doing this |
| 2026-07-03 09:24:31 +0000 | <comerijn> | Also |
| 2026-07-03 09:24:37 +0000 | <comerijn> | threadDelay 10 seems insane? |
| 2026-07-03 09:24:42 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | and replacing their equivalent of line 20 with 21 fixed the problem |
| 2026-07-03 09:25:14 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | comerijn: https://tirclogv.tomsmeding.com/cal/haskell/2026-07-02?eid=aEtUaHCT7#ev-aEtUaHCT7 |
| 2026-07-03 09:25:32 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | jaror's code is a reproducer |
| 2026-07-03 09:25:37 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | which, apparently, doesn't reproduce |
| 2026-07-03 09:26:18 +0000 | <jaror> | It's strange that the threadDelay doesn't influence the elapsed time if it is below 1000. |
| 2026-07-03 09:26:27 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | probably scheduler granularity |
| 2026-07-03 09:26:45 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | "you either get in at the next tick, or now" |
| 2026-07-03 09:26:54 +0000 | <jaror> | yeah that could be it |
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| 2026-07-03 09:28:51 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | comerijn: there are a bunch of things that can decrease performance when you have a busy loop like this going on, but absentia was complaining that sending 5000 insert queries to postgres took half an hour |
| 2026-07-03 09:29:16 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | even if you get multiple TQueue entries per query, and even if you have some degenerate scheduler situations, that doesn't blow up your runtime to _half an hour_ |
| 2026-07-03 09:33:04 +0000 | machinedgod | (~machinedg@d108-173-95-19.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod |
| 2026-07-03 09:36:38 +0000 | <jaror> | I am seeing much larger slowdown if I do this instead: atomically (let loop = do xs <- flushTQueue q; if xs == [] then loop else pure xs in loop) |
| 2026-07-03 09:38:57 +0000 | <jaror> | https://paste.tomsmeding.com/qyjpWpVb |
| 2026-07-03 09:39:07 +0000 | <jaror> | Almost a 10x slowdown |
| 2026-07-03 09:41:23 +0000 | <jaror> | And if I lower the busy work to `fib 15` the difference gets even larger |
| 2026-07-03 09:42:00 +0000 | <jaror> | More like 50x |
| 2026-07-03 09:43:52 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | jaror: wouldn't that be because now you're creating a gigantic transaction that is almost certain to get contested by someone? |
| 2026-07-03 09:44:57 +0000 | <jaror> | probably |
| 2026-07-03 09:45:10 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | hm no, the transaction should still be small because you're repeatedly reading the same TVars |
| 2026-07-03 09:45:35 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | this depends on whether a new readTVar creates a new transaction entry (to be checked during the commit phase) or if it replaces the existing one |
| 2026-07-03 09:46:30 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | IIRC it doesn't create a new entry |
| 2026-07-03 09:46:43 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | interesting, I have to go now though |
| 2026-07-03 10:07:23 +0000 | <danza> | is there a simple way to time the execution of a command in GHCI? |
| 2026-07-03 10:10:27 +0000 | <mauke> | :set +s |
| 2026-07-03 10:10:28 +0000 | <mauke> | ? |
| 2026-07-03 10:10:54 +0000 | <danza> | i'll try that, cheers mauke |
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| 2026-07-03 10:42:02 +0000 | <probie> | % :set +s |
| 2026-07-03 10:42:02 +0000 | <yahb2> | <no output> |
| 2026-07-03 10:42:11 +0000 | <probie> | % sum [1..100000] |
| 2026-07-03 10:42:11 +0000 | <yahb2> | 5000050000 ; (0.01 secs, 8,874,152 bytes) |
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| 2026-07-03 10:42:58 +0000 | <danza> | yep that works, sorry for not updating. Such flags are also explained rather clearly in :help. Thanks probie. About the bytes, i assume that's allocated memory |
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| 2026-07-03 18:28:55 +0000 | divlamir_ | (~divlamir@user/divlamir) divlamir |
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| 2026-07-03 18:59:00 +0000 | mxs9 | (~mxs@user/mxs) mxs |
| 2026-07-03 19:01:32 +0000 | davidlbowman | (~davidlbow@user/davidlbowman) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2026-07-03 19:03:49 +0000 | Googulator | (~Googulato@84-236-126-66.pool.digikabel.hu) |
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| 2026-07-03 19:23:53 +0000 | synchromesh | (~john@2406:5a00:247e:1500:a691:b1ff:0:f9d) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
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| 2026-07-03 20:00:08 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@62.45.136.136) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2026-07-03 20:02:09 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2026-07-03 20:17:40 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2026-07-03 20:35:43 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-07-03 20:38:05 +0000 | luhann | (~luhann@user/luhann) (Quit: WeeChat 4.8.1) |
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| 2026-07-03 20:40:27 +0000 | doyougnu | (~doyougnu@38.175.72.111) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) |
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| 2026-07-03 20:43:18 +0000 | sgillespie | (~sgillespi@user/sgillespie) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-07-03 20:45:27 +0000 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@71.84.33.135) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
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| 2026-07-03 21:01:51 +0000 | kimiamania | (~768865ec@user/kimiamania) (Quit: PegeLinux) |
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| 2026-07-03 21:21:50 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@62.45.136.136) merijn |
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| 2026-07-03 21:29:07 +0000 | michalz | (~michalz@185.246.207.217) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-07-03 21:32:38 +0000 | paddymahoney | (~paddymaho@pool-99-250-10-137.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
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| 2026-07-03 21:37:14 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2026-07-03 21:42:29 +0000 | target_i | (~target_i@user/target-i/x-6023099) target_i |
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| 2026-07-03 21:46:38 +0000 | CiaoSen | (~Jura@2a02:3100:58eb:b00:4e50:ddff:fe9b:8922) CiaoSen |
| 2026-07-03 21:48:24 +0000 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:79a4:d68c:bc23:a22) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2026-07-03 21:52:45 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@62.45.136.136) merijn |
| 2026-07-03 21:53:33 +0000 | mxs9 | (~mxs@user/mxs) (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat) |
| 2026-07-03 21:55:41 +0000 | lnxxcya | (~lynxx@i577BF0B4.versanet.de) (Remote host closed the connection) |