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| 2026-05-26 00:43:20 +0000 | <jj> | hey haskell folks. i've got a project with a cabal build file that i copied over to a new machine. ran cabal build, it put a dist-newstyle folder smack in the middle of the project. how might i tell cabal to not do this? |
| 2026-05-26 00:45:10 +0000 | <humasect> | internet says it is nix-style build, instead of ./dist/ |
| 2026-05-26 00:46:26 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2026-05-26 00:47:45 +0000 | <Clint> | jj: what do you want it to do instead? |
| 2026-05-26 00:48:09 +0000 | czan | (~czan@user/mange) czan |
| 2026-05-26 00:49:00 +0000 | <jj> | Clint: have it be put anywhere but there, basically. hidden in the project folder would be fine; a shared cache in ~/.local would be fine. looks like nix-style builds are what i want (weird name though) |
| 2026-05-26 00:49:00 +0000 | gmg | (~user@user/gehmehgeh) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-05-26 00:49:40 +0000 | <humasect> | as said, CABAL_BUILDDIR - as seen at - https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/latest/config.html |
| 2026-05-26 00:49:41 +0000 | gmg | (~user@user/gehmehgeh) gehmehgeh |
| 2026-05-26 00:49:53 +0000 | <humasect> | recomments .gitignore etc |
| 2026-05-26 00:53:29 +0000 | <geekosaur> | I don't think cabal lets you put it outside the project directory, because it's inherently project-specific and must not be shared |
| 2026-05-26 00:54:53 +0000 | <geekosaur> | and "nix-style" refers to the store, not the build dir |
| 2026-05-26 00:55:05 +0000 | <geekosaur> | (basically, it means the store works like nix's) |
| 2026-05-26 00:55:40 +0000 | <geekosaur> | whereas cabal v1 slapped everything in the same place, leading to "cabal hell" |
| 2026-05-26 00:56:15 +0000 | <humasect> | see link. w/e |
| 2026-05-26 00:57:16 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-05-26 00:57:27 +0000 | <jj> | i'm now quite lost. it appears i was mistaken and the nix-style builds (v2 build, now default, terrible name) is what is causing this dist folder to be named dist-newstyle. i see a CABAL_BUILDDIR env var in the docs. however, there's a note by it saying nix-style builds (dist-newstyle) are not affected by this environment variable, with no further elaboration on how to make v2-style builds not write to a dist-newstyle folder |
| 2026-05-26 00:58:29 +0000 | humasect | looks at watch. |
| 2026-05-26 00:59:40 +0000 | Guest77 | (~Guest77@2600:387:f:a15::8) |
| 2026-05-26 01:00:16 +0000 | <geekosaur> | you can try --distdir, but don't bet on it allowing you to put it outside the project, as I already said |
| 2026-05-26 01:00:21 +0000 | <jj> | i'd like to set the default build directory somewhere globally if possible. anyone know how to do this? poking around ~/.config/cabal/config reveals a `builddir` key, which... supplies a warning that it will be ignored after being set?? |
| 2026-05-26 01:00:52 +0000 | <sclv> | if should not be global. nix style builds are necessarily local |
| 2026-05-26 01:01:19 +0000 | <Guest77> | *throws death potion at others* |
| 2026-05-26 01:02:14 +0000 | <sclv> | the whole point of the system is to not have a single global directory but to handle things per project. |
| 2026-05-26 01:02:45 +0000 | <jj> | sclv: i mean the literal name of the directory. i don't mind if it's scoped to the project folder. |
| 2026-05-26 01:03:58 +0000 | Guest77 | (~Guest77@2600:387:f:a15::8) (Client Quit) |
| 2026-05-26 01:04:26 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2026-05-26 01:04:40 +0000 | <jj> | geekosaur: --distdir seems to work, thx. would be curious if you know if there's a global key for this |
| 2026-05-26 01:05:01 +0000 | Guest77 | (~Guest77@2600:387:f:a15::8) |
| 2026-05-26 01:06:28 +0000 | <Guest77> | *throws death potion at others* |
| 2026-05-26 01:06:41 +0000 | <sclv> | why do you not like the name? |
| 2026-05-26 01:06:46 +0000 | ChanServ | +o monochrom |
| 2026-05-26 01:06:52 +0000 | monochrom | +b *!*@2600:387:f:a15::8 |
| 2026-05-26 01:06:52 +0000 | Guest77 | monochrom (Guest77) |
| 2026-05-26 01:06:58 +0000 | monochrom | -o monochrom |
| 2026-05-26 01:07:04 +0000 | prdak | (~Thunderbi@user/prdak) prdak |
| 2026-05-26 01:07:50 +0000 | <jj> | it's not very evocative of what it does. i'd rather it be called dist or target or _output or something hidden. |
| 2026-05-26 01:08:22 +0000 | <geekosaur> | There isn't because every project would use that directory and they'll conflict with each other |
| 2026-05-26 01:08:32 +0000 | <monochrom> | "dist" was taken. by v1. |
| 2026-05-26 01:09:03 +0000 | xff0x | (~xff0x@2405:6580:b080:900:5801:469a:d89d:a8ee) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2026-05-26 01:10:30 +0000 | <monochrom> | geekosaur, I now think that jj means that if $HOME/.cabal/config could accept a setting like "distdir: foo" then every project would have a foo instead of a dist-newstyle. |
| 2026-05-26 01:11:25 +0000 | <jj> | that is what i mean, but i think geekosaur probably is hinting at that --distdir can take absolute paths |
| 2026-05-26 01:11:52 +0000 | <jj> | do yall know of any option to set distdir in a .cabal file? |
| 2026-05-26 01:12:24 +0000 | <jj> | newstyle, nix-style, v2-style... an unfortunate abundance of names |
| 2026-05-26 01:12:51 +0000 | <monochrom> | I don't know how to cofig this because I never felt the need to because I have long been disillusioned about "meaningful" names. |
| 2026-05-26 01:13:30 +0000 | <geekosaur> | Actually I'm expecting that giving it an absolute path would raise an error |
| 2026-05-26 01:13:51 +0000 | <geekosaur> | It's too big a footgun |
| 2026-05-26 01:14:20 +0000 | <jj> | absolute path appears to work fine |
| 2026-05-26 01:14:44 +0000 | <monochrom> | It is a footgun to have two projects use the same directory. |
| 2026-05-26 01:14:50 +0000 | <jj> | ah, there is a closed rfc about naming this literally anything other than dist-newstyle lmfao. rip |
| 2026-05-26 01:15:08 +0000 | <monochrom> | But you have never had that problem because you have only one project for now. |
| 2026-05-26 01:15:19 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@62.45.136.136) merijn |
| 2026-05-26 01:15:33 +0000 | <geekosaur> | Also "nix-style" is gradually going away because it confuses people into thinking Nix is involved or even required |
| 2026-05-26 01:15:41 +0000 | <monochrom> | There has never been any RFC about accurate names. |
| 2026-05-26 01:16:10 +0000 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@71.84.33.135) peterbecich |
| 2026-05-26 01:16:13 +0000 | <jj> | monochrom: https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/5731 |
| 2026-05-26 01:17:41 +0000 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal |
| 2026-05-26 01:19:05 +0000 | <monochrom> | Well yeah like some of the comments say, changing it now after all these years break backward compatibility unless configurable with traditional default. |
| 2026-05-26 01:19:59 +0000 | <monochrom> | cabal-plan is probably one program that currently assumes "dist-newstyle" and needs to know the new setting |
| 2026-05-26 01:20:24 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@62.45.136.136) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2026-05-26 01:20:35 +0000 | <monochrom> | Then again probably only cabal-plan needs it. |
| 2026-05-26 01:20:39 +0000 | acidjnk_new | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e700e587d0d964644d901e6e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2026-05-26 01:22:03 +0000 | <geekosaur> | there's some others, but at least some are broken because they weren't updated when XDG support was added |
| 2026-05-26 01:22:09 +0000 | <monochrom> | Also consider "nix-style nix integration" just for fun >:) |
| 2026-05-26 01:23:19 +0000 | <geekosaur> | I do think "dist-newstyle" is a fairly lousy name though because it's not really. (it's project , whereas "dist" is package ) |
| 2026-05-26 01:24:18 +0000 | <geekosaur> | I kinda feel like it might have been better to use the same convention as local project config and freeze file |
| 2026-05-26 01:24:34 +0000 | <monochrom> | How would they miss the opportunity of ".cabal-secret" back then? >:) |
| 2026-05-26 01:24:47 +0000 | cyclemaniac | (~cyclemani@2a02:8071:881:2d20:c1c7:793e:b89b:1589) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-05-26 01:26:24 +0000 | <monochrom> | Even ".there-is-no-cabal" would have worked great. |
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