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| 2026-04-28 01:02:18 +0000 | <janus> | did anyone listen to the latest Haskell Interlude? it |
| 2026-04-28 01:02:43 +0000 | <janus> | they are kinda explaining where MonadComprehensions and TransformLispComp come from |
| 2026-04-28 01:02:52 +0000 | havochunter | (~havochunt@2a02-a467-ef2-0-f6c3-1c29-6870-3369.fixed6.kpn.net) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-04-28 01:03:20 +0000 | <janus> | i just feel like it is so very anachronistic and nostalgic, how can anybody stand it |
| 2026-04-28 01:03:59 +0000 | <janus> | imagine a college freshman listening to the Interlude, they must feel like Haskell is for dinosaurs :O |
| 2026-04-28 01:05:44 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 01:06:25 +0000 | <janus> | regarding the technical content... i know they are talking to an academic. but to my ears, i can't see the practicality in compiling an imperative program to recursive CTEs using trampolines |
| 2026-04-28 01:06:45 +0000 | <janus> | am i listening to a code golfing podcast? |
| 2026-04-28 01:07:19 +0000 | <janus> | somebody, please explain to me how this has any useful application beside code golfing? |
| 2026-04-28 01:08:41 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> it is hard to handle the intense academic content of the podcast sometimes |
| 2026-04-28 01:08:47 +0000 | <janus> | we're compiling an imperative program to SQL (declarative style), only for the query planner to compile it back into a series of index lookups? how is this not esoteric? |
| 2026-04-28 01:08:58 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> damnit jim, I'm an engineer not a professor |
| 2026-04-28 01:09:48 +0000 | <janus> | THANK YOU sm |
| 2026-04-28 01:10:00 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> it's not just the technical content, it's sometimes the long story of academic career, moves, etc blah blah blah :) |
| 2026-04-28 01:10:29 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> and while I'm ranting.. that damn music ! It is so depressing ! |
| 2026-04-28 01:11:02 +0000 | <janus> | hah well that's a question of taste :D |
| 2026-04-28 01:11:10 +0000 | <janus> | but i am so glad i am not the only one ranting |
| 2026-04-28 01:11:30 +0000 | <janus> | i do feel like a premise this retrospective is necessarily shaping the culture though |
| 2026-04-28 01:13:04 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I love the podcast. I like hearing the history and especially from the long time researchers. But it could really use more modern practitioner voices for balance |
| 2026-04-28 01:13:26 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> Real World Haskell ! |
| 2026-04-28 01:13:54 +0000 | yin | (~zero@user/zero) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 01:14:16 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I love the podcast. I like hearing the history and especially from the long time researchers. But it could really use more practitioner interviews for balance |
| 2026-04-28 01:14:33 +0000 | <janus> | i like Type Theory Forall a lot, but it is also necessarily academic (just younger academics). so i suppose it is also not the engineer's podcast you're looking for |
| 2026-04-28 01:14:48 +0000 | <janus> | the one by Jane Street is more practical, i'd say |
| 2026-04-28 01:15:40 +0000 | <monochrom> | I did not listen to the podcast. I would write declaratively in the first place; if something optimizes it, that's a bonus, but even if not, I'm fine with it. My experience is that declarative code is easier to change than imperative code when requirement changes in the future. And easier to reverse-engineer---hell, declarative is defined to mean nothing to reverse-engineer. |
| 2026-04-28 01:16:30 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 01:20:27 +0000 | <janus> | they do mention in the podcast that they want guarantees that you don't avoid n+1 queries. and that did make me think of the Orville db library we use at flipstone, which attempts something similar |
| 2026-04-28 01:20:44 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 01:21:01 +0000 | <janus> | pretty sure rel8 also has an answer to this question |
| 2026-04-28 01:21:10 +0000 | haskellbridge | sm hasn't listened to this episode yet either |
| 2026-04-28 01:22:28 +0000 | <janus> | would be interesting to hear if you also recognize guarantees like that in practical database libraries... because i am a bit unsure if what is said maps 1:1 to rel8 and such |
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| 2026-04-28 07:59:18 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 07:59:36 +0000 | ft | (~ft@p508db287.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: leaving) |
| 2026-04-28 08:01:50 +0000 | kuribas | (~user@2a02:1808:4f:9123:4550:572e:b517:5f15) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 08:04:27 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 08:04:51 +0000 | Pozyomka | (~pyon@user/pyon) (Quit: brb) |
| 2026-04-28 08:05:10 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) bkani |
| 2026-04-28 08:05:58 +0000 | fp1 | (~Thunderbi@130.233.70.229) fp |
| 2026-04-28 08:10:10 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 08:10:51 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 08:16:57 +0000 | kuribas | (~user@2a02:1808:4f:9123:4df9:f439:f275:1462) kuribas |
| 2026-04-28 08:19:20 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 08:20:19 +0000 | tzh | (~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) (Quit: zzz) |
| 2026-04-28 08:22:32 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) bkani |
| 2026-04-28 08:22:44 +0000 | arandombit | (~arandombi@user/arandombit) arandombit |
| 2026-04-28 08:26:07 +0000 | Vizious | (~bes@user/Vizious) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 08:27:20 +0000 | Vizious | (~bes@user/Vizious) Vizious |
| 2026-04-28 08:29:42 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 08:30:39 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 08:36:09 +0000 | lol_ | (~lol@2603:3016:1e01:b980:9683:22bf:aaa:c58a) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 08:37:25 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 08:37:51 +0000 | jcarpenter2 | (~lol@96.78.87.197) |
| 2026-04-28 08:45:13 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 08:45:35 +0000 | fp1 | (~Thunderbi@130.233.70.229) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 08:50:06 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 08:50:54 +0000 | DetourNetworkUK | (~DetourNet@user/DetourNetworkUK) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 08:55:18 +0000 | DetourNetworkUK | (~DetourNet@user/DetourNetworkUK) DetourNetworkUK |
| 2026-04-28 08:57:49 +0000 | kuribas | (~user@2a02:1808:4f:9123:4df9:f439:f275:1462) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2026-04-28 08:58:08 +0000 | kuribas | (~user@ip-188-118-57-242.reverse.destiny.be) kuribas |
| 2026-04-28 09:01:38 +0000 | arandombit | (~arandombi@user/arandombit) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-04-28 09:02:03 +0000 | misterfish | (~misterfis@89.205.240.249) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2026-04-28 09:04:14 +0000 | acidjnk | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e700e515ac44c797e30b1349.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) acidjnk |
| 2026-04-28 09:07:30 +0000 | misterfish | (~misterfis@89.205.240.249) misterfish |
| 2026-04-28 09:08:24 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) bkani |
| 2026-04-28 09:13:01 +0000 | misterfish | (~misterfis@89.205.240.249) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 09:14:10 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 09:15:57 +0000 | r1bilski_ | (~r1bilski@user-31-175-22-58.play-internet.pl) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2026-04-28 09:16:15 +0000 | r1bilski | (~r1bilski@user-31-175-22-58.play-internet.pl) |
| 2026-04-28 09:16:15 +0000 | r1bilski | (~r1bilski@user-31-175-22-58.play-internet.pl) (Changing host) |
| 2026-04-28 09:16:15 +0000 | r1bilski | (~r1bilski@user/r1bilski) r1bilski |
| 2026-04-28 09:30:36 +0000 | karenw | (~karenw@user/karenw) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 09:38:23 +0000 | acidjnk_new | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e700e50561e3eb2546094cc3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) acidjnk |
| 2026-04-28 09:39:55 +0000 | xff0x | (~xff0x@ah206235.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 09:40:55 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) bkani |
| 2026-04-28 09:42:01 +0000 | acidjnk | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e700e515ac44c797e30b1349.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 09:43:06 +0000 | kuribas | (~user@ip-188-118-57-242.reverse.destiny.be) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-04-28 09:43:20 +0000 | kuribas | (~user@ip-188-118-57-242.reverse.destiny.be) kuribas |
| 2026-04-28 09:45:39 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 09:46:13 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 09:48:43 +0000 | r1bilski_ | (~r1bilski@user-31-175-22-58.play-internet.pl) |
| 2026-04-28 09:51:06 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 09:51:18 +0000 | r1bilski | (~r1bilski@user/r1bilski) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 09:58:41 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) bkani |
| 2026-04-28 10:02:11 +0000 | misterfish | (~misterfis@31.161.39.137) misterfish |
| 2026-04-28 10:03:33 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 10:06:36 +0000 | r1bilski_ | (~r1bilski@user-31-175-22-58.play-internet.pl) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 10:07:43 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 10:18:22 +0000 | Enrico63 | (~Enrico63@85.255.235.90) Enrico63 |
| 2026-04-28 10:21:17 +0000 | danza | (~danza@user/danza) danza |
| 2026-04-28 10:21:50 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 10:24:09 +0000 | Jonno_FTW | (~come@user/jonno-ftw/x-0835346) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 10:24:21 +0000 | rscastilho1 | (~rscastilh@user/rscastilho1) rscastilho1 |
| 2026-04-28 10:24:35 +0000 | Jonno_FTW | (~come@user/jonno-ftw/x-0835346) Jonno_FTW |
| 2026-04-28 10:25:38 +0000 | rscastilho1 | (~rscastilh@user/rscastilho1) (Client Quit) |
| 2026-04-28 10:26:15 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 10:28:06 +0000 | arandombit | (~arandombi@user/arandombit) arandombit |
| 2026-04-28 10:33:05 +0000 | __monty__ | (~toonn@user/toonn) toonn |
| 2026-04-28 10:35:22 +0000 | kuribas | (~user@ip-188-118-57-242.reverse.destiny.be) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-04-28 10:36:03 +0000 | chexum | (~quassel@gateway/tor-sasl/chexum) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-04-28 10:36:03 +0000 | sord937 | (~sord937@gateway/tor-sasl/sord937) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-04-28 10:36:03 +0000 | califax | (~califax@user/califx) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-04-28 10:36:03 +0000 | gmg | (~user@user/gehmehgeh) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-04-28 10:36:17 +0000 | califax | (~califax@user/califx) califx |
| 2026-04-28 10:36:18 +0000 | chexum | (~quassel@gateway/tor-sasl/chexum) chexum |
| 2026-04-28 10:36:24 +0000 | sord937 | (~sord937@gateway/tor-sasl/sord937) sord937 |
| 2026-04-28 10:36:46 +0000 | gmg | (~user@user/gehmehgeh) gehmehgeh |
| 2026-04-28 10:40:07 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 10:40:58 +0000 | arandombit | (~arandombi@user/arandombit) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-04-28 10:44:29 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 10:45:17 +0000 | arandombit | (~arandombi@user/arandombit) arandombit |
| 2026-04-28 10:47:15 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 10:48:12 +0000 | dtman34 | (~dtman34@c-73-242-68-179.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1+deb12u1 - https://znc.in) |
| 2026-04-28 10:48:33 +0000 | dtman34 | (~dtman34@2601:447:d183:2302:b0c5:8965:1c3f:d560) dtman34 |
| 2026-04-28 10:50:18 +0000 | divlamir | (~divlamir@user/divlamir) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2026-04-28 10:50:37 +0000 | divlamir | (~divlamir@user/divlamir) divlamir |
| 2026-04-28 10:54:10 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 10:59:13 +0000 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:144f:94ac:cf96:df60) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2026-04-28 11:04:42 +0000 | Enrico63 | (~Enrico63@85.255.235.90) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2026-04-28 11:12:54 +0000 | r1bilski | (~r1bilski@user/r1bilski) r1bilski |
| 2026-04-28 11:19:46 +0000 | arandombit | (~arandombi@user/arandombit) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 11:20:05 +0000 | r1bilski | (~r1bilski@user/r1bilski) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 11:25:58 +0000 | Googulator53 | (~Googulato@78-131-16-66.pool.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2026-04-28 11:26:30 +0000 | Googulator53 | (~Googulato@78-131-16-66.pool.digikabel.hu) |
| 2026-04-28 11:32:44 +0000 | rscastilho1 | (rscastilho@user/rscastilho1) rscastilho1 |
| 2026-04-28 11:33:10 +0000 | rscastilho1 | (rscastilho@user/rscastilho1) (Client Quit) |
| 2026-04-28 11:34:20 +0000 | picnoir | (~picnoir@about/aquilenet/vodoo/NinjaTrappeur) (Quit: WeeChat 4.8.1) |
| 2026-04-28 11:35:39 +0000 | danza | (~danza@user/danza) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-04-28 11:35:55 +0000 | picnoir | (~picnoir@about/aquilenet/vodoo/NinjaTrappeur) NinjaTrappeur |
| 2026-04-28 11:36:37 +0000 | r1bilski | (~r1bilski@user/r1bilski) r1bilski |
| 2026-04-28 11:43:58 +0000 | tremon | (~tremon@83.80.159.219) tremon |
| 2026-04-28 11:45:23 +0000 | r1bilski | (~r1bilski@user/r1bilski) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 11:45:29 +0000 | rscastilho1 | (rscastilho@user/rscastilho1) rscastilho1 |
| 2026-04-28 11:45:55 +0000 | rscastilho1 | (rscastilho@user/rscastilho1) (Client Quit) |
| 2026-04-28 11:46:05 +0000 | arandombit | (~arandombi@user/arandombit) arandombit |
| 2026-04-28 11:48:13 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2026-04-28 11:57:24 +0000 | xff0x | (~xff0x@ah206235.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 2026-04-28 12:01:31 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 12:05:26 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 12:10:31 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 12:14:21 +0000 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Excess Flood) |
| 2026-04-28 12:14:49 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) bkani |
| 2026-04-28 12:19:29 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 12:20:20 +0000 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life |
| 2026-04-28 12:21:17 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 12:25:39 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 12:32:36 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) bkani |
| 2026-04-28 12:38:53 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 12:43:14 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 12:49:12 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 12:52:11 +0000 | Enrico63 | (~Enrico63@85.255.235.90) Enrico63 |
| 2026-04-28 12:53:14 +0000 | qqq | (~qqq@185.54.20.226) |
| 2026-04-28 12:56:00 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 12:57:09 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 12:58:31 +0000 | edwtjo | (~edwtjo@fsf/member/edwtjo) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 13:07:37 +0000 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:144f:94ac:cf96:df60) |
| 2026-04-28 13:09:13 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 13:13:53 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 13:14:29 +0000 | qqq | (~qqq@185.54.20.226) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 13:16:46 +0000 | <pounce> | hi, do we still have to ask for account approval on irc |
| 2026-04-28 13:16:53 +0000 | <pounce> | my accnt sems to have been approved already |
| 2026-04-28 13:17:33 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) bkani |
| 2026-04-28 13:17:47 +0000 | rscastilho1 | (~rscastilh@user/rscastilho1) rscastilho1 |
| 2026-04-28 13:18:38 +0000 | rscastilho1 | (~rscastilh@user/rscastilho1) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-04-28 13:26:28 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 13:28:42 +0000 | qqq | (~qqq@185.54.20.226) |
| 2026-04-28 13:31:44 +0000 | wootehfoot | (~wootehfoo@user/wootehfoot) wootehfoot |
| 2026-04-28 13:41:06 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) bkani |
| 2026-04-28 13:42:11 +0000 | qqq | (~qqq@185.54.20.226) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 13:42:56 +0000 | r1bilski | (~r1bilski@user/r1bilski) r1bilski |
| 2026-04-28 13:46:11 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 13:50:13 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 13:51:52 +0000 | r1bilski | (~r1bilski@user/r1bilski) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-04-28 13:51:53 +0000 | szkl | (uid110435@id-110435.uxbridge.irccloud.com) szkl |
| 2026-04-28 13:52:11 +0000 | r1bilski | (~r1bilski@user-31-175-22-58.play-internet.pl) |
| 2026-04-28 13:52:11 +0000 | r1bilski | (~r1bilski@user-31-175-22-58.play-internet.pl) (Changing host) |
| 2026-04-28 13:52:11 +0000 | r1bilski | (~r1bilski@user/r1bilski) r1bilski |
| 2026-04-28 13:55:10 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 14:07:18 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 14:11:51 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 14:14:00 +0000 | <ski> | janus : never heard of it before |
| 2026-04-28 14:15:22 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) bkani |
| 2026-04-28 14:20:25 +0000 | tok | (~user@user/tok) tok |
| 2026-04-28 14:22:58 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 14:23:39 +0000 | edwtjo | (~edwtjo@fsf/member/edwtjo) edwtjo |
| 2026-04-28 14:24:15 +0000 | Square | (~Square4@user/square) Square |
| 2026-04-28 14:25:18 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 14:27:59 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 14:28:53 +0000 | machinedgod | (~machinedg@d172-219-48-230.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod |
| 2026-04-28 14:31:27 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) bkani |
| 2026-04-28 14:38:07 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 14:38:43 +0000 | misterfish | (~misterfis@31.161.39.137) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 14:39:20 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 14:43:37 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 14:43:54 +0000 | Googulator53 | (~Googulato@78-131-16-66.pool.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2026-04-28 14:44:15 +0000 | Googulator53 | (~Googulato@78-131-16-66.pool.digikabel.hu) |
| 2026-04-28 14:48:40 +0000 | Pozyomka | (~pyon@user/pyon) pyon |
| 2026-04-28 14:49:53 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) bkani |
| 2026-04-28 14:51:13 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 14:51:22 +0000 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:144f:94ac:cf96:df60) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2026-04-28 14:55:56 +0000 | Enrico63 | (~Enrico63@85.255.235.90) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2026-04-28 14:56:10 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 14:57:46 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 15:04:02 +0000 | Pozyomka | (~pyon@user/pyon) (Quit: f---ing udev) |
| 2026-04-28 15:05:21 +0000 | Pozyomka | (~pyon@user/pyon) pyon |
| 2026-04-28 15:08:29 +0000 | qqq | (~qqq@185.54.20.226) |
| 2026-04-28 15:11:36 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@62.45.136.136) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 15:13:03 +0000 | Pozyomka | (~pyon@user/pyon) (Quit: f---ing udev) |
| 2026-04-28 15:16:09 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@62.45.136.136) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 15:16:13 +0000 | Enrico63 | (~Enrico63@85.255.235.90) Enrico63 |
| 2026-04-28 15:20:27 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) bkani |
| 2026-04-28 15:22:12 +0000 | kuribas | (~user@ip-188-118-57-242.reverse.destiny.be) |
| 2026-04-28 15:23:05 +0000 | xff0x | (~xff0x@ah206235.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 15:25:31 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 15:29:04 +0000 | jmcantrell_ | (~weechat@user/jmcantrell) jmcantrell |
| 2026-04-28 15:34:36 +0000 | Vizious | (~bes@user/Vizious) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 15:36:39 +0000 | Vizious | (~bes@user/Vizious) Vizious |
| 2026-04-28 15:37:50 +0000 | <janus> | ski: the Haskell Interlude? MonadComprehensions? rel8? Type Theory Forall? Jane Street? |
| 2026-04-28 15:38:33 +0000 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:144f:94ac:cf96:df60) |
| 2026-04-28 15:38:52 +0000 | <janus> | pounce: i've implemented 'vouching' on Hackage, which means you can now get uploader permissions from other uploaders. So that should lessen the need to use chat to speak with admins. But you'll still have to speak with someone of course |
| 2026-04-28 15:42:57 +0000 | misterfish | (~misterfis@84.53.85.146) misterfish |
| 2026-04-28 15:44:27 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) bkani |
| 2026-04-28 15:46:42 +0000 | jmcantrell_ | jmcantrell |
| 2026-04-28 15:47:48 +0000 | Wygulmage | (~Wygulmage@user/Wygulmage) Wygulmage |
| 2026-04-28 15:49:18 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 15:50:48 +0000 | puke | (~puke@user/puke) puke |
| 2026-04-28 15:51:08 +0000 | Wygulmage49 | (~Wygulmage@user/Wygulmage) Wygulmage |
| 2026-04-28 15:51:43 +0000 | <ski> | er, some podcast ? |
| 2026-04-28 15:51:50 +0000 | <ski> | (already forgot the name) |
| 2026-04-28 15:52:12 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 15:52:16 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) bkani |
| 2026-04-28 15:52:42 +0000 | Wygulmage | (~Wygulmage@user/Wygulmage) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 15:53:54 +0000 | <janus> | ski: right. The Haskell Interlude. It's the official podcast of the Foundation. Available at https://haskell.foundation/podcast/ |
| 2026-04-28 15:54:28 +0000 | Enrico63 | (~Enrico63@85.255.235.90) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2026-04-28 15:56:33 +0000 | <Wygulmage49> | How do I load a package in lambdabot? |
| 2026-04-28 15:57:00 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 15:59:31 +0000 | <janus> | % :set -package lens |
| 2026-04-28 15:59:31 +0000 | <yahb2> | cannot satisfy -package lens ; (use -v for more information) |
| 2026-04-28 15:59:52 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 16:01:38 +0000 | Googulator15 | (~Googulato@78-131-16-66.pool.digikabel.hu) |
| 2026-04-28 16:03:33 +0000 | qqq | (~qqq@185.54.20.226) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 16:04:47 +0000 | Googulator53 | (~Googulato@78-131-16-66.pool.digikabel.hu) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 16:06:21 +0000 | tok` | (~user@2a02:8109:ab8e:7300:18c4:fcc2:d5d3:db27) |
| 2026-04-28 16:07:59 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@62.45.136.136) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 16:08:58 +0000 | tok | (~user@user/tok) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 16:10:08 +0000 | <ski> | Wygulmage49 : if you mean here, then no |
| 2026-04-28 16:10:24 +0000 | oneeyedalien | (~oneeyedal@user/oneeyedalien) oneeyedalien |
| 2026-04-28 16:10:24 +0000 | oneeyedalien | (~oneeyedal@user/oneeyedalien) (Client Quit) |
| 2026-04-28 16:10:49 +0000 | <pounce> | janus: i just needed to make an issue on gitlab, it seems to have worked |
| 2026-04-28 16:10:57 +0000 | Pozyomka | (~pyon@user/pyon) pyon |
| 2026-04-28 16:11:06 +0000 | jmcantrell | (~weechat@user/jmcantrell) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 16:12:27 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@62.45.136.136) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 16:12:39 +0000 | kuribas | (~user@ip-188-118-57-242.reverse.destiny.be) (Quit: ERC 5.5.0.29.1 (IRC client for GNU Emacs 29.3)) |
| 2026-04-28 16:13:51 +0000 | <Wygulmage49> | ski: Thanks. |
| 2026-04-28 16:19:28 +0000 | puke | (~puke@user/puke) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-04-28 16:19:54 +0000 | puke | (~puke@user/puke) puke |
| 2026-04-28 16:22:17 +0000 | Wygulmage49 | (~Wygulmage@user/Wygulmage) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 16:23:31 +0000 | gmg | (~user@user/gehmehgeh) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2026-04-28 16:23:42 +0000 | gmg | (~user@user/gehmehgeh) gehmehgeh |
| 2026-04-28 16:23:50 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-28 16:24:42 +0000 | <pounce> | hmm do i wanna become a ghc contributor |
| 2026-04-28 16:25:34 +0000 | haritz | (~hrtz@2a01:4b00:bc2e:7000:d5af:a266:ca31:5ef8) |
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| 2026-04-28 16:31:53 +0000 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:144f:94ac:cf96:df60) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
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| 2026-04-28 16:57:38 +0000 | tzh | (~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) tzh |
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| 2026-04-28 17:09:21 +0000 | <pounce> | has anyone had success using hls on the ghc codebase |
| 2026-04-28 17:10:14 +0000 | bkani | (~bkani@user/bkani) bkani |
| 2026-04-28 17:13:03 +0000 | <geekosaur> | yes, but I suggest having a LOT of ram |
| 2026-04-28 17:13:21 +0000 | <pounce> | uhh on this machine i have 32 does that count |
| 2026-04-28 17:13:21 +0000 | <geekosaur> | I think there are some hints on the wiki |
| 2026-04-28 17:13:24 +0000 | <pounce> | how much we talkin |
| 2026-04-28 17:13:39 +0000 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:144f:94ac:cf96:df60) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2026-04-28 17:13:40 +0000 | <geekosaur> | at least 64 I think |
| 2026-04-28 17:13:42 +0000 | <pounce> | my work machine has 512gb is that enough |
| 2026-04-28 17:13:47 +0000 | <pounce> | ok w/e i'll do it at work |
| 2026-04-28 17:13:55 +0000 | <geekosaur> | hls uses a lot of ram anyway, but with a very large codebase like ghc's it uses even more |
| 2026-04-28 17:14:19 +0000 | <geekosaur> | I have 84 and it was a bit creaky when I last tried it |
| 2026-04-28 17:14:26 +0000 | <pounce> | oof |
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| 2026-04-28 17:17:31 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |