| 2026-03-04 00:01:00 +0100 | shr\ke | (~shrike@user/shrke:31298) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
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| 2026-03-04 00:04:59 +0100 | kilolympus6 | kilolympus |
| 2026-03-04 00:08:18 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2026-03-04 00:11:16 +0100 | shr\ke | (~shrike@user/paxhumana) paxhumana |
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| 2026-03-04 00:15:53 +0100 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:bca6:b25a:741d:ca28) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2026-03-04 00:19:45 +0100 | <yin> | int-e: nice. you're extracting values from a pair with `c :: (Word -> Word) -> Word` right? that's equivalent to my `pre` |
| 2026-03-04 00:20:47 +0100 | <int-e> | yin: that's where it came from |
| 2026-03-04 00:22:07 +0100 | <yin> | did you derive it? it took me a long time to understand your version (it also took me a long time to understand mine) |
| 2026-03-04 00:22:52 +0100 | <int-e> | I've seen the lambda term before. I'm quite familiar with some of the themes around Church numerals. |
| 2026-03-04 00:23:35 +0100 | mange | (~mange@user/mange) (Quit: Bye!) |
| 2026-03-04 00:24:06 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-03-04 00:24:35 +0100 | <int-e> | I think the best I've ever come up with myself was pred = \n f x -> n (\c a b -> c b (f b)) (\a b -> a) x x |
| 2026-03-04 00:24:40 +0100 | gmg | (~user@user/gehmehgeh) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2026-03-04 00:24:43 +0100 | <yin> | is this technically cps? it feels like cps |
| 2026-03-04 00:25:41 +0100 | <int-e> | There are definitely continuations here. (That's why I like calling the argument 'c'. Though I messed up above; \c -> 0 should've been \f -> 0; it is a continuation but the argument isn't) |
| 2026-03-04 00:28:34 +0100 | gmg | (~user@user/gehmehgeh) gehmehgeh |
| 2026-03-04 00:29:07 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-03-04 00:31:21 +0100 | <yin> | this is great |
| 2026-03-04 00:39:54 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-03-04 00:41:48 +0100 | emmanuelux | (~em@user/emmanuelux) emmanuelux |
| 2026-03-04 00:44:04 +0100 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-03-04 00:46:19 +0100 | <monochrom> | I prefer "k" to "c". :) |
| 2026-03-04 00:46:30 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2026-03-04 00:47:48 +0100 | <int-e> | Hi monokhrom |
| 2026-03-04 00:47:55 +0100 | <monochrom> | haha |
| 2026-03-04 00:50:34 +0100 | <yin> | > take 10 $ ($ id) <$> iterate (\c f -> f (c succ)) (const 0) |
| 2026-03-04 00:50:36 +0100 | <lambdabot> | [0,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8] |
| 2026-03-04 00:50:45 +0100 | <monochrom> | kontinuashun https://lambdacats.github.io/delimited/ |
| 2026-03-04 00:51:21 +0100 | <EvanR> | yin, at the very least, define the missing operations with an error message denoting who to blame |
| 2026-03-04 00:51:32 +0100 | <EvanR> | is ワ lowercase or uppercase for the purposes of haskell? |
| 2026-03-04 00:51:53 +0100 | <chromoblob> | monochrom: neat |
| 2026-03-04 00:51:55 +0100 | <int-e> | > isLower 'ワ' |
| 2026-03-04 00:51:56 +0100 | <lambdabot> | False |
| 2026-03-04 00:52:03 +0100 | <yin> | EvanR: I mostly blame the Num typeclass itself |
| 2026-03-04 00:52:04 +0100 | <EvanR> | it's pretty big so seems like a constructor |
| 2026-03-04 00:52:04 +0100 | <int-e> | > isUpper 'ワ' |
| 2026-03-04 00:52:05 +0100 | <lambdabot> | False |
| 2026-03-04 00:52:14 +0100 | <chromoblob> | ... |
| 2026-03-04 00:52:21 +0100 | <int-e> | > let ワ = 1 in ワ |
| 2026-03-04 00:52:22 +0100 | <lambdabot> | 1 |
| 2026-03-04 00:52:31 +0100 | <int-e> | EvanR: I guess this makes it "lower case" |
| 2026-03-04 00:52:59 +0100 | <int-e> | I hope it isn't anything offensive ;) |
| 2026-03-04 00:53:16 +0100 | <int-e> | wah! |
| 2026-03-04 00:53:19 +0100 | int-e | runs |
| 2026-03-04 00:53:29 +0100 | <chromoblob> | > (not . isUpper) 'ワ' -- here, fixed :p |
| 2026-03-04 00:53:31 +0100 | <lambdabot> | True |
| 2026-03-04 00:54:04 +0100 | <int-e> | % data ワ = ワ |
| 2026-03-04 00:54:04 +0100 | <yahb2> | <interactive>:19:10: error: [GHC-25742] Not a data constructor: ‘ワ’ |
| 2026-03-04 00:54:25 +0100 | <int-e> | % data Xワ = Xワ |
| 2026-03-04 00:54:25 +0100 | <yahb2> | <no output> |
| 2026-03-04 00:54:31 +0100 | Square | (~Square@user/square) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2026-03-04 00:54:34 +0100 | <int-e> | (that looks so wrong) |
| 2026-03-04 00:54:39 +0100 | <chromoblob> | % data ワ = Wa |
| 2026-03-04 00:54:39 +0100 | <yahb2> | <interactive>:23:6: error: [GHC-47568] ; Malformed head of type or class declaration: ワ |
| 2026-03-04 00:54:56 +0100 | <EvanR> | so it's like, yes upper is required for constructors |
| 2026-03-04 00:55:04 +0100 | <EvanR> | lower is not required for variables |
| 2026-03-04 00:55:35 +0100 | <EvanR> | the plot thickens |
| 2026-03-04 00:55:52 +0100 | <geekosaur> | yes and always has been. one of the annoyances with Haskell given scripts that lack the distinction (kanji, katakana, hangul, Arabic, Hebrew, etc.) |
| 2026-03-04 00:56:11 +0100 | <geekosaur> | initial upper for constructors, lower (or neutral) for variables |
| 2026-03-04 00:56:30 +0100 | <geekosaur> | ":" is treated as an "uppercase" symbol character |
| 2026-03-04 00:56:48 +0100 | <yin> | > generalCategory 'ワ' |
| 2026-03-04 00:56:49 +0100 | <lambdabot> | OtherLetter |
| 2026-03-04 00:57:56 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-03-04 00:59:17 +0100 | <int-e> | EvanR: The Haskell 2010 report assumes a dichotomy with language like, for example, "Names for variables and type variables are identifiers beginning with lowercase letters or underscore; the other four kinds of names are identifiers beginning with uppercase letters." So this is technically a GHC extension? Hehe. |
| 2026-03-04 00:59:31 +0100 | <EvanR> | if you write out some computer text containing latin, green, chinese, arabic, and hebrew, some of these scripts will appear "big" and some "small"... that's how it should've been divided between types, ctors and variables xD |
| 2026-03-04 00:59:37 +0100 | <EvanR> | s/green/greek/ |
| 2026-03-04 00:59:44 +0100 | <geekosaur> | > generalCategory 'ש' |
| 2026-03-04 00:59:45 +0100 | <lambdabot> | OtherLetter |
| 2026-03-04 01:00:48 +0100 | <chromoblob> | > generalCategory '☉' |
| 2026-03-04 01:00:49 +0100 | <lambdabot> | OtherSymbol |
| 2026-03-04 01:00:55 +0100 | <EvanR> | but then I guess chinese would be stuck without variables |
| 2026-03-04 01:01:13 +0100 | <int-e> | > generalCategory 'ꙮ' |
| 2026-03-04 01:01:14 +0100 | <lambdabot> | OtherLetter |
| 2026-03-04 01:01:17 +0100 | <geekosaur> | it's kinda stuck without constructors |
| 2026-03-04 01:01:23 +0100 | <EvanR> | it's fine because obviously variables like x y and z |
| 2026-03-04 01:01:27 +0100 | <chromoblob> | > let x ☉ y = -(x * y) in 2 ☉ 3 |
| 2026-03-04 01:01:28 +0100 | <lambdabot> | -6 |
| 2026-03-04 01:01:33 +0100 | <EvanR> | are supposed to look like xD |
| 2026-03-04 01:01:35 +0100 | <chromoblob> | cool... |
| 2026-03-04 01:01:57 +0100 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) Sgeo |
| 2026-03-04 01:02:19 +0100 | <EvanR> | whoever heard of a variable not latin or greek |
| 2026-03-04 01:02:28 +0100 | <EvanR> | ok there was the soviet programming language |
| 2026-03-04 01:02:47 +0100 | <chromoblob> | i'm still waiting for the syntax "a `(b `c` d)` e"... |
| 2026-03-04 01:02:50 +0100 | <yin> | . o O ( APL ) |
| 2026-03-04 01:03:19 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-03-04 01:03:52 +0100 | <int-e> | > let (ο,o,о) = (1,2,3) in ο + o + о + ο |
| 2026-03-04 01:03:53 +0100 | <lambdabot> | 7 |
| 2026-03-04 01:04:10 +0100 | <chromoblob> | lol |
| 2026-03-04 01:04:15 +0100 | <yin> | what |
| 2026-03-04 01:04:22 +0100 | <chromoblob> | different o's |
| 2026-03-04 01:04:35 +0100 | <yin> | scared me for a moment |
| 2026-03-04 01:04:45 +0100 | <chromoblob> | heh |
| 2026-03-04 01:04:52 +0100 | <geekosaur> | > generalCategory '𝐱' |
| 2026-03-04 01:04:53 +0100 | <lambdabot> | LowercaseLetter |
| 2026-03-04 01:05:50 +0100 | <geekosaur> | chromoblob: not gonna happen, nightmare to parse those nested backticks and in general backticked expressions |
| 2026-03-04 01:06:05 +0100 | <geekosaur> | if they'd chosen a different closing character it would have been easier |
| 2026-03-04 01:06:17 +0100 | <geekosaur> | consider string parsing |
| 2026-03-04 01:06:26 +0100 | <yin> | i wish `f` was just 'f or even `f would be fine |
| 2026-03-04 01:06:42 +0100 | <geekosaur> | plan 9 user? 😛 |
| 2026-03-04 01:07:37 +0100 | <yin> | whitespace as application would be great too |
| 2026-03-04 01:08:05 +0100 | <int-e> | x ◖infix◗ y |
| 2026-03-04 01:08:05 +0100 | <chromoblob> | why would it be a nightmare? |
| 2026-03-04 01:08:46 +0100 | <EvanR> | imagine if strings could be nested without escaping the " |
| 2026-03-04 01:08:54 +0100 | <EvanR> | lol |
| 2026-03-04 01:08:56 +0100 | <geekosaur> | go look at why the Bourne shell's backrticks were replaced with `$()` |
| 2026-03-04 01:09:08 +0100 | <geekosaur> | because those _did_ nest |
| 2026-03-04 01:09:16 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (well, with escapes) |
| 2026-03-04 01:09:46 +0100 | <EvanR> | "abc "def" ghi" |
| 2026-03-04 01:09:48 +0100 | <yin> | x `w `f` z` y |
| 2026-03-04 01:09:55 +0100 | <geekosaur> | even with escapes it was really hard to deal with; without, well, I'm sure you could get a lexer to handle it but $* help the reader |
| 2026-03-04 01:10:25 +0100 | <geekosaur> | and do remember that code is written to be readable by humans, not the computer. if we cared about the computer reading it we'd still be keying programs in in hex |