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2025-12-21 00:27:14 +0100 <hololeap> any guesses why this wants/needs an isomorphism? https://hackage.haskell.org/package/foldl-1.4.18/docs/Control-Foldl.html#v:foldMap
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2025-12-21 00:28:04 +0100 <hololeap> oh, wait I misread it
2025-12-21 00:28:33 +0100 <hololeap> so I guess the second function could be `id`? it still seems strange to me
2025-12-21 00:31:11 +0100 <hololeap> something to do with the way the Applicative instance is impemented for Fold
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2025-12-21 00:31:36 +0100 <hololeap> "extraction function"
2025-12-21 00:31:53 +0100 <hololeap> "This allows the Applicative instance to assemble derived folds that traverse the container only once"
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2025-12-21 00:35:34 +0100 <byorgey> the second function could be id. It just allows for a bit more flexibility in the case that the final result you want is itself not monoidal, but can be extracted from some monoidal result.
2025-12-21 00:36:53 +0100 <byorgey> It seems like it would not be strictly necessary in the case of foldMap, but since the Fold type already provides this separate "extraction" capability for other reasons, foldMap might as well provide the extra flexibility?
2025-12-21 00:38:18 +0100 <Leary> I would have omitted it, since you can always `fmap` anyway.
2025-12-21 00:39:28 +0100 <byorgey> very true
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2025-12-21 04:43:27 +0100 <hololeap> is there a way to get the default `compare` for a data type without deriving Ord?
2025-12-21 04:44:15 +0100 <hololeap> I want to compare one inner value first, then fall back to the default `compare`
2025-12-21 04:44:45 +0100 <hololeap> (the data type has a lot of constructors so it will be tedious to write the whole thing by hand)
2025-12-21 04:46:21 +0100 <hololeap> transformers-compat only has Ord1
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2025-12-21 10:20:13 +0100 <tomsmeding> hololeap: not with a guarantee that you get the actual default `compare`, because GHC only produces that when you `deriving (Ord)`; you'd have to find a library
2025-12-21 10:21:24 +0100 <[exa]> hololeap: can you derive it for some wrapper/related newtype or so and then coerce? (or maybe the other way)
2025-12-21 10:21:58 +0100 <[exa]> good mornin' btw
2025-12-21 10:22:30 +0100 <hololeap> good morning
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