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| 2025-08-20 03:30:14 +0200 | trickard_ | trickard |
| 2025-08-20 03:31:07 +0200 | <ludat15> | hello everyone, I was researching and I couldn't find anything about it, is there any support for the wasm backend in stack? |
| 2025-08-20 03:33:41 +0200 | petrichor | (~jez@user/petrichor) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-08-20 03:34:10 +0200 | <glguy> | ludat15, I haven't tried, but just looking at https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/wasm.html "There isn’t a GHC option which allows you to use a stock GHC installed via ghcup or stack to generate wasm." |
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| 2025-08-20 03:38:58 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> Not yet |
| 2025-08-20 03:39:38 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> IOG is working on retargetable cross |
| 2025-08-20 03:39:53 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> But not sure when it's in a state to be upstreamable |
| 2025-08-20 03:42:07 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2025-08-20 03:42:50 +0200 | <ludat15> | oh ok, thanks! |
| 2025-08-20 03:42:57 +0200 | <geekosaur> | there's some very preliminary support in cabal, but don't be surprised if it has limitations or bugs because it hasn't gotten much in the way of testing as yet (and in particular we don't have any wasm building or testing in our CI yet; contributors welcome though) |
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| 2025-08-20 03:59:58 +0200 | <ludat15> | cool thanks again for the details, I had the idea that this was much further along than what it actually is, thanks for the clarification |
| 2025-08-20 04:00:38 +0200 | <ludat15> | is there a link where I could contribute to that? I have some experience with gitlabci |
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| 2025-08-20 04:23:12 +0200 | <geekosaur> | cabal is on github, not gitlab |
| 2025-08-20 04:23:28 +0200 | <geekosaur> | and wasm is still fairly early even in ghc, much less tooling support |
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| 2025-08-20 04:28:51 +0200 | sajenim | (~sajenim@user/sajenim) sajenim |
| 2025-08-20 04:29:05 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (tbh I think most of us have been waiting for ghc wasm to settle down a bit before trying to support it properly. but see for example https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/10923 |
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| 2025-08-20 04:46:57 +0200 | <Guest6229> | what is a combinator? |
| 2025-08-20 04:50:50 +0200 | <geekosaur> | a function designed to be combined with other functions in some fashion |
| 2025-08-20 04:51:10 +0200 | <geekosaur> | as a parameter applied to something, in a chain of function applications, etc. |
| 2025-08-20 04:51:19 +0200 | <geekosaur> | it's pretty loose |
| 2025-08-20 04:51:45 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Like (.) or on |
| 2025-08-20 04:53:32 +0200 | <Leary> | There is a strict definition, but it's more often used loosely. "A combinator is a higher-order function that uses only function application and earlier defined combinators to define a result from its arguments." |
| 2025-08-20 04:56:02 +0200 | <geekosaur> | you can define combinators in other languages, but FP languages generally make them a lot more convenient, so they get used widely |
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| 2025-08-20 04:58:15 +0200 | <Guest6229> | Control.Monad.fix is Y combinator? |
| 2025-08-20 04:58:34 +0200 | <geekosaur> | a special purpose combinator, but yes |
| 2025-08-20 04:59:17 +0200 | <geekosaur> | well, it's as close as we can get to it; strictly speaking, the Y combinator can't be typed and only exists in itsd purest form within the untyped lambda calculus |
| 2025-08-20 04:59:20 +0200 | <geekosaur> | *its |
| 2025-08-20 04:59:30 +0200 | <Leary> | Not really. `Data.Function.fix` is Haskell's equivalent of the Y combinator, but it's not actually implemented as such. |
| 2025-08-20 04:59:46 +0200 | <Leary> | And you can type Y with newtypes. |
| 2025-08-20 05:00:41 +0200 | <Leary> | The real issue with it is runaway "simplification" (and non-sharing). |
| 2025-08-20 05:02:01 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2025-08-20 05:02:57 +0200 | <jreicher> | Guest6229: In the formalisms it is a function that has its own reduction rule |
| 2025-08-20 05:03:21 +0200 | <jreicher> | But in the translation to lambda calculus it's usually used to mean a lambda abstraction of a certain form |
| 2025-08-20 05:03:33 +0200 | <Guest6229> | Y = λf. (λx.f (x x)) (λx.f (x x)) turn this to haskell is Y = \f -> (\x -> f (x x)) (\x -> f (x x))? |
| 2025-08-20 05:04:17 +0200 | <jreicher> | That's a lambda "equivalent" of the Y combinator. In combinator calculus it is no more and no less than Y f -> f (Y f). It has that reduction rule. |
| 2025-08-20 05:04:19 +0200 | <Guest6229> | but in haskell fix f = let x = f x in x |
| 2025-08-20 05:12:38 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-08-20 05:13:58 +0200 | <geekosaur> | let is recursive, so it incorporates the recursion in the combinator calculus version automatically. (That is, the `x` on both sides of the `=` are the same, so Haskell keeps solving for that `x`) |
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| 2025-08-20 05:18:21 +0200 | <jreicher> | I haven't looked, but I'm pretty sure Haskell would be building a circular data structure for it too. |
| 2025-08-20 05:18:53 +0200 | tinjamin47 | (~tinjamin@banshee.h4x0r.space) |
| 2025-08-20 05:19:43 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> fix is useful |
| 2025-08-20 05:19:58 +0200 | <Guest6229> | examples? |
| 2025-08-20 05:20:21 +0200 | tinjamin4 | (~tinjamin@banshee.h4x0r.space) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-08-20 05:20:21 +0200 | tinjamin47 | tinjamin4 |
| 2025-08-20 05:20:45 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> factorial n = fix (\f -> if n == 0 then 1 else f (n - 1) * n) |
| 2025-08-20 05:21:54 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> I'm sure there are other examples out there. But much like Haskell itself, I'm a lazy lady |
| 2025-08-20 05:22:50 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> I also like doing dumb things like: |
| 2025-08-20 05:23:26 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> ones = fix (\x -> cycle (1 : x)) |
| 2025-08-20 05:23:58 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> > fix (\x -> cycle (1 : x)) |
| 2025-08-20 05:24:12 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Looks like lambdabot doesn't like bridged messages. |
| 2025-08-20 05:24:33 +0200 | <Leary> | > fix (1:) |
| 2025-08-20 05:24:35 +0200 | <lambdabot> | [1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1... |
| 2025-08-20 05:26:12 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> fibs = fix (scanl (+) 0 . (1:)) |
| 2025-08-20 05:26:28 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <iqubic (she/her)> Don't ask me why that works. I don't know. |
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| 2025-08-20 05:38:54 +0200 | Guest6229 | (~Guest6229@8.211.128.144) |
| 2025-08-20 05:43:24 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2025-08-20 05:48:59 +0200 | Guest6229 | (~Guest6229@8.211.128.144) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) |
| 2025-08-20 05:53:55 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | I'm going to try out ghcprofview-hs |
| 2025-08-20 05:54:10 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-08-20 05:56:03 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | well heck, it didn't build lol |
| 2025-08-20 05:56:20 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | hmmmmmmmm |
| 2025-08-20 05:56:38 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | I wonder how long it would take me to write a GUI utility. |
| 2025-08-20 06:00:57 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2025-08-20 06:12:13 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-08-20 06:16:30 +0200 | rekahsoft | (~rekahsoft@bras-base-orllon1103w-grc-15-174-95-4-83.dsl.bell.ca) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-08-20 06:16:39 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-08-20 06:22:54 +0200 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich |
| 2025-08-20 06:25:00 +0200 | chymera | (~chymera@ns1000526.ip-51-81-46.us) (Server closed connection) |
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| 2025-08-20 06:27:35 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-08-20 06:27:55 +0200 | fgarcia | (~lei@user/fgarcia) (Quit: Remote host closed the connection) |
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| 2025-08-20 06:32:07 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |