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2025-04-17 04:07:07 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> I have just been listening to Tom's podcast appearance at https://haskell.foundation/podcast/60/ - extremely good!
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2025-04-17 05:12:34 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> I learned about his strict-wrapper library. At https://hackage.haskell.org/package/strict-wrapper-0.0.1.0/docs/Data-Strict-Wrapper.html#g:4 , I wonder why both ! and Strict are needed ? typo or not ?
2025-04-17 05:14:42 +0200 <geekosaur> I don't think so? you need the bang to strictify up to the `Strict`, and then that does what amounts to `rnf`
2025-04-17 05:15:00 +0200 <geekosaur> but without the bang you have a thunk containing an `rnf`, which is kinda useless
2025-04-17 05:15:08 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> 👀
2025-04-17 05:15:54 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> thanks
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2025-04-17 08:32:32 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> not sure what feedback i'd get on this, but do RTSes for other languages come with channels for memory sharing?
2025-04-17 08:32:41 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> is this overall a bad idea?
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2025-04-17 10:01:38 +0200 <tomsmeding> Liamzee: what is a "channel for memory sharing"?
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2025-04-17 10:04:56 +0200 <tomsmeding> sm: tangential, but the haddocks for that package are slightly broken: the source link for `pattern Strict` goes to `data Strict` in the class
2025-04-17 10:05:03 +0200 <tomsmeding> too much namespace confusion for haddock?
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2025-04-17 10:06:11 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> heh, too much for me anyway. I just squint and nod, yes, yes, all fine...
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2025-04-17 10:13:39 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> type families seem pretty complicated
2025-04-17 10:13:56 +0200 <tomsmeding> which ones?
2025-04-17 10:14:33 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> The general topic.. judging by
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2025-04-17 10:15:12 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> but I see how it's used in strict-wrapper, that seems simple enough to use
2025-04-17 10:15:15 +0200 <tomsmeding> all the nitty-gritty details are complicated, sure
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2025-04-17 10:15:23 +0200 <tomsmeding> basic type families are not so complex
2025-04-17 10:15:49 +0200 <tomsmeding> the Strict family in strict-wrapper is a data family though, which is related but not quite the same
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2025-04-17 10:15:58 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> aiee
2025-04-17 10:16:08 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> good to know, I maybe misread
2025-04-17 10:16:47 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> right you are. Some of the error messages are type families, only
2025-04-17 10:16:55 +0200forell(~forell@user/forell) forell
2025-04-17 10:17:45 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> I would really like an up to date accurate atlas of all of Haskell (or even just the language)
2025-04-17 10:18:06 +0200 <tomsmeding> including all the GHC extensions?
2025-04-17 10:18:27 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> seems like the continent of Advanced Type Features has grown pretty vast
2025-04-17 10:18:43 +0200 <tomsmeding> how about https://www.haskell.org/onlinereport/haskell2010/ + https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/users_guide/exts/table.html ?
2025-04-17 10:18:58 +0200 <tomsmeding> it's sorted alphabetically, not by concept
2025-04-17 10:19:11 +0200 <tomsmeding> but I peruse this table fairly often
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2025-04-17 10:20:37 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> actually I remember seeing such a map, I wonder where
2025-04-17 10:22:29 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> cool:
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2025-04-17 10:47:43 +0200 <Leary> tomsmeding: It looks like haddock just doesn't do `(t|v):` namespacing in hyperlinked source, probably because regular constructors don't have source links and the code is older than `PatternSynonyms`. Throw them a bug report? :)
2025-04-17 10:50:25 +0200 <tomsmeding> well spotted
2025-04-17 10:54:56 +0200 <Leary> Presumably it can also bug on `TypeOperators`.
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2025-04-17 10:59:11 +0200 <tomsmeding> Leary: yep, it indeed has the same anchor link for those too
2025-04-17 10:59:25 +0200 <tomsmeding> (defined a little module with `type family (*) a b` and `(*) :: ...`
2025-04-17 10:59:27 +0200 <tomsmeding> )
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2025-04-17 11:00:24 +0200 <bwe> ski [exa]: switched to applicative notation in relabel', added tick, integrated it into relabel', switched tick call from bind to applicative notation. Is tick equivalent to modify'?
2025-04-17 11:00:37 +0200 <bwe> And how can I simplify tick?
2025-04-17 11:01:20 +0200 <[exa]> bwe: people are making a helper such as this: `modify :: (s -> s) -> State s ()`
2025-04-17 11:01:57 +0200 <[exa]> with that one, tick would be something like `modify (+1) >> get`
2025-04-17 11:02:17 +0200 <[exa]> (or simpler if you instead choose `modify :: (s->s) -> State s s`
2025-04-17 11:05:01 +0200 <ski> bwe : `tick' is `get <* modify (1 +)'