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| 2025-03-29 03:07:14 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Liamzee freeing after use isn't the fastest option. In fact, switching to it on linear code would actually make it slower |
| 2025-03-29 03:08:34 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> On many cases, an arena allocator is the fastest option because you can free many things at once (faster than one thing at a time). It's even recommended in C because of it's speed and simplicity |
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| 2025-03-29 03:11:15 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> But you don't have to trust me here, the Perceus (basically inferring linear and inserting alloc/free) tests a lot of people have done show improvements only on very specific examples, but poorer performance otherwise |
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| 2025-03-29 03:13:54 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Modern GCs have a lot of thought put into them in order to make them really fast. Allocation for those is practically free and deallocation is deferred until it's at near-peak efficiency |
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| 2025-03-29 05:11:09 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> is that what rust's optimizer is actually doing? |
| 2025-03-29 05:11:12 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> Bowuigi: |
| 2025-03-29 05:12:36 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> No clue but probably yes. Tho allocations are not inferred in Rust (that's why you have to deal with the borrow checker) |
| 2025-03-29 05:13:08 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Probably yes to the refcounting, not to the efficient GC |
| 2025-03-29 05:17:28 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> are there good reasons not to use Twain? Are there limitations of Twain I should know about? |
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| 2025-03-29 08:00:31 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> what are the tradeoffs of various sql backends that Haskell supports? |
| 2025-03-29 08:00:36 +0100 | JamesMowery17 | (~JamesMowe@ip68-228-212-232.ph.ph.cox.net) JamesMowery |
| 2025-03-29 08:00:49 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> I'm just going with postgresql because that seems to be standard, but there's also sqlite3 packages |
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| 2025-03-29 08:01:42 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> huh |
| 2025-03-29 08:01:44 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/zynpnf/what_databases_do_you_find_the_most_productive_to/ |
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| 2025-03-29 08:17:04 +0100 | Lord_of_Life_ | Lord_of_Life |
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| 2025-03-29 08:19:20 +0100 | <jackdk> | All the libraries I like only support postgred (rel8, opaleye, hasql) |
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| 2025-03-29 10:01:41 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> ah, i'm using opaleye right now |
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| 2025-03-29 10:57:32 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | What is a good name for a type that does not contain any function arrows? I've been recommended "ground type", but other resources reserve that for a type without _type variables_ instead |
| 2025-03-29 10:59:52 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> is that question coherent? |
| 2025-03-29 11:00:03 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> erm, that's the wrong word |
| 2025-03-29 11:00:06 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> meaningful |
| 2025-03-29 11:00:17 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> newtype Foo = MkFoo (Int -> Char) |
| 2025-03-29 11:00:33 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> Foo doesn't contain any function arrows, but it's a newtype over a function type |
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| 2025-03-29 11:14:15 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | Liamzee: It's a fair point. I think I'd want Foo to "contain function arrows", i.e. to _not_ be in the category that I want a name for |
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| 2025-03-29 11:14:53 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | but if there's a good term for such types where you do consider Foo to be "simple", I'm also open to those |
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| 2025-03-29 11:16:34 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> non-function types? |
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| 2025-03-29 11:26:17 +0100 | lxsameer | (~lxsameer@Serene/lxsameer) lxsameer |
| 2025-03-29 11:30:11 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | well, (Int, Int -> Int) is also a non-function type, in my mind |
| 2025-03-29 11:32:05 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | one can generalise from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher-order_function |
| 2025-03-29 11:32:16 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | a higher-order function is a function that takes functions; a first-order function is a function that does not |
| 2025-03-29 11:32:57 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | if you define Order[Int] = 0; Order[(a, b)] = max(Order[a], Order[b]); Order[a -> b] = max{1 + Order[a], Order[b]}, then a first-order function is a function with type of order 1, and a higher-order function is a function with type of order >1 |
| 2025-03-29 11:33:10 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | then the thing I'm looking for would be type with order 0 |
| 2025-03-29 11:33:34 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | but I'm not sure I've seen "zeroth-order type" before, and it's also a bit of an awkward phrase |
| 2025-03-29 11:33:41 +0100 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:9865:6ec1:d353:2dc8) |
| 2025-03-29 11:36:08 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-03-29 11:36:26 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> so would (Int, Int -> Int) be a type that contains function arrows? |
| 2025-03-29 11:36:42 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> I'm guessing it's just that in languages where functions are values the term is more confused |
| 2025-03-29 11:37:39 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | yes, (Int, Int -> Int) would be a type that contains function arrows, and would thus not be allowed for my thingy types |
| 2025-03-29 11:38:15 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | The context here is an array language: I want to allow arrays of zeroth-order types only, because functions have closures and everything becomes messy then |
| 2025-03-29 11:38:30 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | even sum types are messy but only to a limited extent |
| 2025-03-29 11:38:53 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | this is not in haskell specifically, but I'm asking here because it's somewhat related :) |
| 2025-03-29 11:41:55 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-03-29 11:42:53 +0100 | jacopovalanzano | (~jacopoval@cpc151911-cove17-2-0-cust105.3-1.cable.virginm.net) |
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| 2025-03-29 11:47:39 +0100 | <Leary> | tomsmeding: Trees? |
| 2025-03-29 11:51:37 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | Leary: then arrays and sum types would need to be trees, and function types not |
| 2025-03-29 11:52:04 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | it's a good unorthodox suggestion, but I'm not a fan either |
| 2025-03-29 11:52:38 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I think I'll just go with "zeroth-order"; I even have a sensible use for "second-order", i.e. functions that take functions that don't take functions |
| 2025-03-29 11:52:44 +0100 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj |
| 2025-03-29 11:53:06 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | (in a language with zeroth-order arrays, 'map' on arrays is a second-order function) |
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| 2025-03-29 11:57:41 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2025-03-29 11:58:26 +0100 | <Leary> | Anything built from base types with sums and products counts as a tree in my book, some of them are just really wide or stunted. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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| 2025-03-29 12:20:30 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-03-29 12:25:47 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2025-03-29 12:27:36 +0100 | <merijn> | Leary: My hot take: Trees are just very degenerate trees :) |
| 2025-03-29 12:28:05 +0100 | <merijn> | Actually, your comment has broadened my view, so I've updated my hot take to also conclude Maybe is a degenerate tree :p |
| 2025-03-29 12:28:41 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | what would be a non-degenerate tree? |
| 2025-03-29 12:29:02 +0100 | <merijn> | tomsmeding: A perfectly balanced binary tree :p |
| 2025-03-29 12:29:22 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I like those too |
| 2025-03-29 12:29:41 +0100 | int-e | wonders whether merijn meant lists |
| 2025-03-29 12:30:13 +0100 | <merijn> | int-e: eh, yes |
| 2025-03-29 12:30:16 +0100 | <merijn> | I slept badly xD |
| 2025-03-29 12:30:32 +0100 | <merijn> | And I'm doing 4 things at once |
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| 2025-03-29 12:44:33 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | that doesn't sound like a good combination |
| 2025-03-29 12:45:13 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | 3 is already borderline for me |
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| 2025-03-29 13:11:51 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <jv> anything more than 1 is too much for me if i've slept badly |
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| 2025-03-29 15:34:11 +0100 | <ski> | "polynomial type" ? |
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| 2025-03-29 17:15:11 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | ski: if this wasn't in the context of numerical computing, that would've been a good one. :D |
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| 2025-03-29 17:30:26 +0100 | <srk> | heh, trying to export prometheus metrics from 32bit pi1 is quite fun. had to patch basement, memory and cborg (fortunately two of them had PRs) because of tons of crypto libs that I don't need |
| 2025-03-29 17:30:42 +0100 | <srk> | almost rolled my own primitive http server /o\ |
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| 2025-03-29 18:04:20 +0100 | <dutchie> | I feel like I'm missing something obvious, but what's the way to have a pattern match in an attoparsec do block result in failure? I can't just do `Just x <- thing` because it's the wrong monad... |
| 2025-03-29 18:04:46 +0100 | <dutchie> | and aiui `let Just x = thing` just crashes if it doesn't match |
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| 2025-03-29 18:15:47 +0100 | <srk> | <- maybe (fail "no parse") pure thing ? |
| 2025-03-29 18:19:05 +0100 | JuanDaugherty | (~juan@user/JuanDaugherty) JuanDaugherty |
| 2025-03-29 18:19:05 +0100 | <enikar> | if i remember, there is no fail function in Attoparsec. I use it times to times. |
| 2025-03-29 18:20:25 +0100 | <srk> | pretty sure it has a MonadFail instance, ye https://hackage.haskell.org/package/attoparsec-0.14.4/docs/Data-Attoparsec-Internal-Types.html#t:P… |
| 2025-03-29 18:22:12 +0100 | <int-e> | but there's no "abort the parse if this happens, even if there are more alternatives to try" |
| 2025-03-29 18:23:17 +0100 | <enikar> | hum… I wonder it can be use in this case. Often I rewrote the parser in another way. |
| 2025-03-29 18:24:06 +0100 | <int-e> | Hmm I'm trying to understand in what the "wrong monad" is in this context. |
| 2025-03-29 18:24:18 +0100 | <enikar> | readP and megaparsec have pfail, which is sometimes useful. |
| 2025-03-29 18:26:02 +0100 | <int-e> | I mean if you just need `fail`, shouldn't `Just x <- thing` actually work? The resulting error message will be horrible though. |
| 2025-03-29 18:26:24 +0100 | <int-e> | (Or maybe `Just x <- pure thing`) |
| 2025-03-29 18:28:57 +0100 | <JuanDaugherty> | i am just getting that optics make visible/accessible stuff which in a conventional imperative land u'd just put someplace |
| 2025-03-29 18:29:25 +0100 | <JuanDaugherty> | *lang |
| 2025-03-29 18:31:03 +0100 | acidjnk | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e71c4f5684d81f92e812b9d0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) acidjnk |
| 2025-03-29 18:32:31 +0100 | <monochrom> | I would write "case thing of Just x -> ... Nothing -> ..." explicitly. |
| 2025-03-29 18:32:43 +0100 | <srk> | unknown RTS option: -N :)) is that because the system has only a single core or llvm? |
| 2025-03-29 18:33:26 +0100 | <monochrom> | You need to enable RTS options at all at compile time (more precisely link time), e.g., ghc -rtsopts |
| 2025-03-29 18:33:38 +0100 | Digit | (~user@user/digit) Digit |
| 2025-03-29 18:33:42 +0100 | <int-e> | you need -threaded to enabled -N |
| 2025-03-29 18:33:52 +0100 | <monochrom> | It is non-default because some RTS options become vulnerabilities. |
| 2025-03-29 18:33:53 +0100 | <srk> | ye, I have -threaded -rtsopts -with-rtsopts=-N |
| 2025-03-29 18:34:05 +0100 | zmt00 | (~zmt00@user/zmt00) zmt00 |
| 2025-03-29 18:34:08 +0100 | <monochrom> | Hrm then I don't know! |
| 2025-03-29 18:34:09 +0100 | <srk> | but this is armv6l (pi1) with only one core |
| 2025-03-29 18:34:25 +0100 | <int-e> | I don't think the number of cores matters |
| 2025-03-29 18:34:27 +0100 | <srk> | got this error trying to run the thing, trying to drop the -N now |
| 2025-03-29 18:34:39 +0100 | <srk> | yeah, that helped. fun! |
| 2025-03-29 18:34:41 +0100 | <monochrom> | Pretty sure I can demand -N1000 even if I only have 4. |
| 2025-03-29 18:35:07 +0100 | <int-e> | But maybe there is no threaded runtime for armv6l? Well that sounds... weird. |
| 2025-03-29 18:35:24 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2025-03-29 18:35:25 +0100 | <int-e> | And GHC really ought to complain about -threaded in that case. |
| 2025-03-29 18:35:34 +0100 | <srk> | indeed |
| 2025-03-29 18:36:17 +0100 | <monochrom> | Actually IIRC I disagreed how they framed it as vulnerabilities but meh who am I. |
| 2025-03-29 18:36:19 +0100 | zmt01 | (~zmt00@user/zmt00) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-03-29 18:37:07 +0100 | <int-e> | you could check the output of <executable> +RTS --info and see if the "RTS way" contains "thr" or not. |
| 2025-03-29 18:39:03 +0100 | <srk> | no, it doesn't |
| 2025-03-29 18:39:41 +0100 | <int-e> | so GHC did indeed not link against the threaded RTS |
| 2025-03-29 18:40:53 +0100 | <srk> | interesting, now I'm tempted to try on armv7 and aarch64 with more cores as well |
| 2025-03-29 18:42:04 +0100 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich |
| 2025-03-29 18:42:47 +0100 | <srk> | anyway, it works now \o/ hope it keeps working when I connect it to the modbus meter |
| 2025-03-29 18:44:10 +0100 | <srk> | type safe electricity consumption analysis ^^ |
| 2025-03-29 18:44:53 +0100 | Digit | digitteknohippie |
| 2025-03-29 18:45:10 +0100 | digitteknohippie | Digit |
| 2025-03-29 18:46:28 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-03-29 18:51:50 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2025-03-29 18:52:30 +0100 | <srk> | works like a charm, impressive |
| 2025-03-29 18:56:45 +0100 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:9865:6ec1:d353:2dc8) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |