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| 2026-01-05 01:04:02 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> sm: what is sad about a stable and well working GHC release? |
| 2026-01-05 01:04:40 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> Should we switch to 9.8 which is abandoned or to 9.10 which has two minor broken releases (including the last one)? |
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| 2026-01-05 01:05:17 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> 'recommended' isn't for people who want to follow the latest releases. |
| 2026-01-05 01:06:57 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> Sorry, 9.12 is the one that's broken... I'm starting to mix up all the broken releases |
| 2026-01-05 01:10:01 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2026-01-05 01:10:11 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> @maerwald that's a fine thing of course. I acknowledged the no doubt excellent reasons in the linked discussion with my thumbs up. I called it sad mainly because as an experienced haskeller I expect many difficulties building current projects or using tools, and many known limitations, with those older ghc versions. |
| 2026-01-05 01:10:15 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> 9.6 is documented as suitable for use: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/wikis/GHC-status |
| 2026-01-05 01:10:41 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> sm: What difficulties? |
| 2026-01-05 01:12:15 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> i don't have a list handy. But in my time as a maintainer and packager I've worked around a ton of ghc version and platform specific bugs or limitations |
| 2026-01-05 01:14:21 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> What limitations? |
| 2026-01-05 01:14:38 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> Why is 9.6 more limited than 9.10? |
| 2026-01-05 01:15:58 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I did not prepare a list in advance of this chat have forgotten them for the moment. I could go digging in my issue tracker but it's not important |
| 2026-01-05 01:18:15 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-01-05 01:19:24 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> If you make this claim then I think it's important |
| 2026-01-05 01:20:18 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I mean, I would make the effort if you are truly considering bumping the recommendation. I assume you've seen them all though and will bump when you judge best |
| 2026-01-05 01:20:30 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> My experience in 10 years of Haskell shows that the difficulties and limitations lie within NEW GHC versions. |
| 2026-01-05 01:20:41 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> There's a whole github repo dedicated to it |
| 2026-01-05 01:21:07 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> of course those exist too |
| 2026-01-05 01:21:23 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> https://github.com/tomjaguarpaw/tilapia |
| 2026-01-05 01:21:34 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> And tooling works fine with 9.6 |
| 2026-01-05 01:21:46 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> It doesn't work as fine with new GHC versions |
| 2026-01-05 01:21:50 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> That's a fact |
| 2026-01-05 01:22:24 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> So I think your claim is wrong |
| 2026-01-05 01:23:22 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2026-01-05 01:23:27 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> fair enough, I won't argue with you |
| 2026-01-05 01:25:16 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> and as always, thank you for your work, it's appreciated |
| 2026-01-05 01:27:36 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> But going forward, GHCup will follow GHCs official LTS releases most likely |
| 2026-01-05 01:27:53 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> Once they've matured, that is |
| 2026-01-05 01:28:11 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> that'll be great, I'm looking forward to it |
| 2026-01-05 01:28:52 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> An LTS release is decided beforehand with no knowledge about its quality. So we'll probably wait until the micro version is at 3 or higher |
| 2026-01-05 01:30:35 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> or if it's so good there's no minor release for a year, you might make an exception ? |
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| 2026-01-05 01:32:15 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> rather unlikely I suppose |
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| 2026-01-05 02:20:37 +0100 | <oats> | why does so much code in base and ghc use `case` for binding instead of `let` or `where`? like here: https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/ghc-internal-9.1401.0/docs/src/GHC.Internal.Arr.html#n… |
| 2026-01-05 02:21:14 +0100 | <c_wraith> | let/where create a thunk when they match on a pattern. case forces evaluation. |
| 2026-01-05 02:21:38 +0100 | <c_wraith> | > let Just x = Nothing in () |
| 2026-01-05 02:21:38 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-01-05 02:22:25 +0100 | <c_wraith> | huh. lambdabot isn't in here right now |
| 2026-01-05 02:22:53 +0100 | <EvanR> | let x = whatever in y, a thunk makes sense |
| 2026-01-05 02:23:15 +0100 | <EvanR> | but let Pattern x y z = hopefullyPattern in e ? |