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2025-12-02 06:27:05 +0100 <Leary> zoil: Let me quote myself: "There is a kind-of workaround for `Read`-like cases by taking a singleton as a constraint and matching on it, but then you have to supply that singleton constraint everywhere instead."
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2025-12-02 06:29:52 +0100 <Leary> However, if you have multiple such cases, the same singleton constraint will cover all of them. Further, these constraints often useful in and of themselves.
2025-12-02 06:30:42 +0100 <Leary> are often*
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2025-12-02 06:44:02 +0100Square2(~Square4@user/square) Square
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2025-12-02 06:55:42 +0100 <iqubic> Um... This is a strange LSP error. It looks like applying hlint code refactoring doesn't work on GHC 9.10
2025-12-02 06:55:47 +0100 <iqubic> 2025-12-02T05:54:01.159312Z | Error | hlint: Internal Error: Exception in plugin PluginId "hlint" while processing SMethod_CodeActionResolve: Cannot apply refactoring: apply-refact does not work on GHC 9.10
2025-12-02 06:57:00 +0100 <iqubic> And now my LSP just exited!
2025-12-02 06:58:55 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-12-02 07:00:14 +0100 <iqubic> https://dpaste.alwaysdata.org/2T0oxtWG
2025-12-02 07:00:53 +0100 <iqubic> I'm not sure if any of you know enough about the Haskell LSP to help me here.
2025-12-02 07:07:04 +0100takuan(~takuan@d8D86B9E9.access.telenet.be)
2025-12-02 07:09:59 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-02 07:12:06 +0100 <iqubic> From what I can tell, this seems to be an issue with HLint, GHC 9.10.3, and NixOS.
2025-12-02 07:12:13 +0100 <iqubic> https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/issues/4674
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2025-12-02 09:34:40 +0100 <lucabtz> there is no string splitting in base?
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2025-12-02 09:41:56 +0100 <Rembane> lucabtz: There's span and break and partition and take and drop and takeWhile and dropWhile
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2025-12-02 09:50:10 +0100 <dminuoso> 21:18:59 tomsmeding │ it seems the theme of today is "words mean different things to different people"
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2025-12-02 09:50:47 +0100 <dminuoso> Human language is messy, imprecise and under constant change.
2025-12-02 09:51:56 +0100 <dminuoso> Heck, if you just go through pure math publications, you see so many conflicting notation styles or conflicting terminology choices... its best to not dwell on what people call things and just be able to adjust your reference frame in a discussion...
2025-12-02 09:52:20 +0100 <dminuoso> Especially when its people from different fields/languages/paradigms...
2025-12-02 09:55:39 +0100merijn(~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn
2025-12-02 10:02:54 +0100 <lucabtz> Rembane yeah i made one with takeWhile and dropWhile
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2025-12-02 10:10:37 +0100 <chromoblob> dminuoso: mind sharing which IRC client you use? interesting
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2025-12-02 10:21:23 +0100Lycurgus(~juan@user/Lycurgus) Lycurgus
2025-12-02 10:23:39 +0100kuribas(~user@2a02:1808:d1:d243:9821:bd8c:f208:7dc) kuribas
2025-12-02 10:24:49 +0100 <kuribas> Funny how haskell makes easy things harder sometimes. I have a list of items, and I need to produce another list, but flatten it (so like a list monad). But I also want to have some state variable.
2025-12-02 10:25:23 +0100 <Lycurgus> wrong lang 4 state
2025-12-02 10:25:37 +0100 <Lycurgus> easy state anywho
2025-12-02 10:25:39 +0100 <merijn> kuribas: That just sounds like scanl + flatten?
2025-12-02 10:25:52 +0100 <kuribas> So I could: 1) use traverse on the list, using an inner state monad, then flatten. 2) make a list and state monad. 3) do an explicit tail recursive loop.
2025-12-02 10:25:55 +0100chele(~chele@user/chele) chele
2025-12-02 10:26:08 +0100 <kuribas> :t scanl
2025-12-02 10:26:09 +0100 <Lycurgus> state u dont even think about hardly
2025-12-02 10:26:10 +0100 <lambdabot> (b -> a -> b) -> b -> [a] -> [b]
2025-12-02 10:26:54 +0100 <kuribas> Concretely, I want to generate some SQL query, but I need to generate aliases for tables, like alias1, alias2 (the state).
2025-12-02 10:27:17 +0100 <Axman6> or mapAccumL/R
2025-12-02 10:27:46 +0100 <kuribas> Funny, one of my colleages went to university in Glasgow, she never did haskell because it was to complicated...
2025-12-02 10:27:53 +0100 <kuribas> But she is doing clojure now.
2025-12-02 10:29:10 +0100DetourNetworkUK(DetourNetw@user/DetourNetworkUK) DetourNetworkUK
2025-12-02 10:32:02 +0100 <sprout> I just wrote a foldl_with_state in Egel
2025-12-02 10:32:09 +0100 <sprout> not everything has to be a monad
2025-12-02 10:32:20 +0100 <Axman6> that definitely sounds like mapAccumL to me ...
2025-12-02 10:32:23 +0100 <Axman6> :t mapAccumL
2025-12-02 10:32:25 +0100 <lambdabot> Traversable t => (s -> a -> (s, b)) -> s -> t a -> (s, t b)
2025-12-02 10:32:34 +0100kuribas(~user@2a02:1808:d1:d243:9821:bd8c:f208:7dc) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-12-02 10:33:11 +0100 <Lycurgus> hs is a wonderment in that it managed to become quite practically while going full on ivory tower dont give a damn if u think it's a ball breaker
2025-12-02 10:33:22 +0100 <Lycurgus> *quite practical
2025-12-02 10:34:07 +0100 <dminuoso> chromoblob: Weechat.
2025-12-02 10:34:22 +0100 <lucabtz> i ended up doing like this Rembane https://paste.tomsmeding.com/gp5xEGzv
2025-12-02 10:34:37 +0100 <Lycurgus> the type sig circle jerks being a prime epiphenomon of that
2025-12-02 10:34:47 +0100 <sprout> Axman6: yah, that must be the same thing
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2025-12-02 10:55:08 +0100kuribas(~user@ip-188-118-57-242.reverse.destiny.be) kuribas
2025-12-02 10:55:42 +0100 <kuribas> :t mapAccumL
2025-12-02 10:55:43 +0100 <lambdabot> Traversable t => (s -> a -> (s, b)) -> s -> t a -> (s, t b)
2025-12-02 10:56:23 +0100 <kuribas> I can make a transformer, but "StateT [] s a" would not work, as it trows away state.
2025-12-02 10:56:41 +0100 <kuribas> Maybe ListT done right: ListT (State s) a
2025-12-02 10:58:15 +0100vgtw(~vgtw@user/vgtw) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-12-02 10:58:56 +0100 <kuribas> or easier : concat $ runState $ traverse (state $ \s -> [...]) l
2025-12-02 10:59:26 +0100vgtw(~vgtw@user/vgtw) vgtw
2025-12-02 11:03:06 +0100 <kuribas> :t ListT
2025-12-02 11:03:08 +0100 <lambdabot> error: [GHC-88464]
2025-12-02 11:03:08 +0100 <lambdabot> Data constructor not in scope: ListT
2025-12-02 11:03:08 +0100 <lambdabot> Suggested fix: Perhaps use ‘List’ (imported from Control.Lens)
2025-12-02 11:03:42 +0100fp1(~Thunderbi@2001:708:20:1406::1370) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-12-02 11:06:23 +0100 <kuribas> :t \f l -> concat $ flip runState 1 $ traverse (State . f) l
2025-12-02 11:06:25 +0100 <lambdabot> error: [GHC-01928]
2025-12-02 11:06:25 +0100 <lambdabot> • Illegal term-level use of the type constructor ‘State’
2025-12-02 11:06:25 +0100 <lambdabot> • imported from ‘Control.Monad.State’ at /home/lambda/.lambdabot/State/L.hs:65:1-26
2025-12-02 11:07:27 +0100 <kuribas> lambdabot: It's a type synonym ...
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2025-12-02 11:11:47 +0100 <kuribas> Isn't ListT done right a logic monad?
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2025-12-02 11:14:27 +0100 <tomsmeding> :t \f l -> concat $ flip runState 1 $ traverse (state . f) l
2025-12-02 11:14:29 +0100 <lambdabot> (Traversable t, Num [a1]) => (a2 -> [a1] -> (b, [a1])) -> t a2 -> [a1]
2025-12-02 11:15:24 +0100 <kuribas> tomsmeding: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/mtl-2.3.1/docs/Control-Monad-State-Lazy.html#t:State
2025-12-02 11:15:46 +0100 <tomsmeding> oh your were complaining about "type constructor"
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2025-12-02 11:16:02 +0100 <kuribas> ah wait, it's StateT ...
2025-12-02 11:16:06 +0100 <kuribas> sorry...
2025-12-02 11:16:18 +0100marinelli(~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/marinelli) marinelli
2025-12-02 11:16:41 +0100 <kuribas> :t \f l -> concat $ flip runState 1 $ traverse (StateT . f) l
2025-12-02 11:16:42 +0100 <lambdabot> (Num [a1], Traversable t) => (a2 -> [a1] -> Identity (b, [a1])) -> t a2 -> [a1]
2025-12-02 11:16:44 +0100vgtw(~vgtw@user/vgtw) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-12-02 11:16:58 +0100 <tomsmeding> kuribas: I don't see how ListT is relevant here, but then I don't really understand your usecase yet; ListT is for nondeterminism
2025-12-02 11:17:16 +0100 <tomsmeding> or "cartesian product of the possibilities"
2025-12-02 11:17:46 +0100 <kuribas> tomsmeding: I just wanted to use bind (>>=), but with a monad stack. Like a list comprehension with state.
2025-12-02 11:18:14 +0100 <tomsmeding> is it that you want to loop over a list with some state, and while doing so, generate values to be stored in a returned list at the end?
2025-12-02 11:18:14 +0100CiaoSen(~Jura@2a02:8071:64e1:da0:5a47:caff:fe78:33db) CiaoSen
2025-12-02 11:18:24 +0100 <kuribas> yeah
2025-12-02 11:18:43 +0100 <tomsmeding> this? https://paste.tomsmeding.com/r70Fuwb3
2025-12-02 11:19:10 +0100 <kuribas> tomsmeding: yes :)
2025-12-02 11:19:21 +0100 <tomsmeding> instantiate m to State and roll
2025-12-02 11:20:06 +0100 <tomsmeding> note the swap because mapAccumL and runState do not agree on which part of the pair should go which way :p
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2025-12-02 11:21:00 +0100vgtw(~vgtw@user/vgtw) vgtw
2025-12-02 11:22:13 +0100 <tomsmeding> uh, no, don't instantiate m to State
2025-12-02 11:22:21 +0100 <tomsmeding> the state is already there, lol
2025-12-02 11:22:45 +0100 <tomsmeding> anyway this is a function that I needed at some point and couldn't find in the standard libraries
2025-12-02 11:24:19 +0100 <kuribas> Another interesting solution would be to use coroutines, and have one routine for generating the tables aliases.
2025-12-02 11:24:34 +0100xff0x(~xff0x@fsb6a9491c.tkyc517.ap.nuro.jp) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2025-12-02 11:24:43 +0100acidjnk(~acidjnk@p200300d6e71719443da791614ae70cbb.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) acidjnk
2025-12-02 11:24:45 +0100 <tomsmeding> and 'send out' the aliases to the coroutine via a channel?
2025-12-02 11:25:15 +0100 <kuribas> yes
2025-12-02 11:25:35 +0100 <kuribas> I just feel like all of this is more complicated than equivalent python.
2025-12-02 11:25:59 +0100 <tomsmeding> my knowledge of funny programming languages is not large enough to be able to point to which one, but I feel like there's a language where this would be the "neat" solution
2025-12-02 11:26:06 +0100 <tomsmeding> I don't think it's Haskell :p
2025-12-02 11:27:22 +0100vgtw(~vgtw@user/vgtw) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2025-12-02 11:29:42 +0100 <kuribas> python would be something like this: https://gist.github.com/kuribas/bfeb96b35699d6a4f64b50f4732d62b9
2025-12-02 11:30:24 +0100vgtw(~vgtw@user/vgtw) vgtw
2025-12-02 11:30:56 +0100 <tomsmeding> I see you haven't been programming python recently with the syntax errors, but otherwise yes :p
2025-12-02 11:31:05 +0100 <tomsmeding> although the 'break' may be tricky
2025-12-02 11:31:18 +0100 <kuribas> actually I have
2025-12-02 11:31:31 +0100 <tomsmeding> (= instead of ==, elif instead of else if)
2025-12-02 11:31:38 +0100 <kuribas> elif is valid python
2025-12-02 11:31:42 +0100 <tomsmeding> is it?
2025-12-02 11:31:51 +0100 <tomsmeding> oh right
2025-12-02 11:32:04 +0100 <tomsmeding> then what's github's syntax highlighter up about
2025-12-02 11:32:15 +0100 <kuribas> I forgot a colon.
2025-12-02 11:32:23 +0100 <tomsmeding> oh
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2025-12-02 11:37:35 +0100vgtw(~vgtw@user/vgtw) vgtw
2025-12-02 11:38:39 +0100 <Leary> kuribas: How about `foldA :: (Foldable t, Applicative f, Monoid b) => (a -> f b) -> t a -> f b; foldA f = getAp . foldMap (Ap . f)`? `f` can be `State s`, `b` can be a list ...
2025-12-02 11:38:49 +0100 <Leary> Or flip the args and call it `forA`, even better.
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2025-12-02 11:44:25 +0100 <kuribas> foldmap?
2025-12-02 11:45:42 +0100 <Leary> Yes, `foldMap`. It sure doesn't sound like you need `traverse`.
2025-12-02 11:45:47 +0100dhil(~dhil@5.151.29.141) dhil
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2025-12-02 11:49:49 +0100 <kuribas> :t ala
2025-12-02 11:49:51 +0100 <lambdabot> (Functor f, Rewrapping s t) => (Unwrapped s -> s) -> ((Unwrapped t -> t) -> f s) -> f (Unwrapped s)
2025-12-02 11:50:30 +0100 <kuribas> :t alaf Ap foldMap
2025-12-02 11:50:32 +0100 <lambdabot> k1} {a}. (Foldable t, Monoid (Ap g b)) => (a -> g b) -> t a -> g b
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2025-12-02 11:51:46 +0100 <kuribas> :t alaf StateT traverse
2025-12-02 11:51:48 +0100 <lambdabot> (Traversable t, Monad m') => (a -> s' -> m' (a', s')) -> t a -> s' -> m' (t a', s')
2025-12-02 12:05:38 +0100 <kuribas> :t alaf state traverse
2025-12-02 12:05:40 +0100 <lambdabot> (Unwrapped (m (t b)) ~ (s -> (t b, s)), Rewrapped (m b) (m (t b)), Rewrapped (m (t b)) (m b), MonadState s m, Traversable t) => (a -> Unwrapped (m b)) -> t a -> Unwrapped (m (t b))
2025-12-02 12:06:53 +0100 <kuribas> I have a haskell script that I made for my own use. But there may be interest, though like not haskell :-(
2025-12-02 12:07:08 +0100 <kuribas> I could 1) dockerize it, 2) rewrite in python/clojure/...
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2025-12-02 12:35:24 +0100 <kuribas> Is there a corouting library that can allow you to take arbitrary routines as argument?
2025-12-02 12:35:45 +0100 <kuribas> Instead of "x <- await", "x <- await routineA".
2025-12-02 12:36:52 +0100ttybitnik(~ttybitnik@user/wolper) ttybitnik
2025-12-02 12:39:06 +0100 <kuribas> conduit can only await from a single source
2025-12-02 12:51:55 +0100 <kuribas> Maybe just a ST or IO monad, with Streamly or ListT stored into IORefs.
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