| 2025-03-01 00:01:09 +0100 | misterfish | (~misterfis@84.53.85.146) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-03-01 00:02:18 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> hope this is not too obnoxious, but do single-library webapp applications exist? |
| 2025-03-01 00:02:48 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> as in, you define your program in objects / datatypes, then you use different compile functions to render the objects / datatypes to backend, frontend (multiplatform)? |
| 2025-03-01 00:03:59 +0100 | <c_wraith> | there are attempts in that direction, but they're all still pretty awkward to use. |
| 2025-03-01 00:04:10 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> honestly this might be something haskell is good for |
| 2025-03-01 00:04:16 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> due to lazy evaluation |
| 2025-03-01 00:04:40 +0100 | <c_wraith> | like https://github.com/obsidiansystems/obelisk is along those lines |
| 2025-03-01 00:04:46 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> because in a strict language, if you have the server components of objects |
| 2025-03-01 00:04:50 +0100 | <c_wraith> | But I think it's not really maintained anymore |
| 2025-03-01 00:05:07 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> they have to be fully evaluated, or rendered as tokens |
| 2025-03-01 00:05:28 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-03-01 00:05:43 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> whereas in Haskell, due to lazy evaluation and a concept of action, you don't have to evaluate the datatype parts, and this is completely native and idiomatic to haskell (well, not the object aspect) |
| 2025-03-01 00:06:18 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> whereas you're looking at macros and tokens (which require ADTs to be remotely reasonable) in other languages |
| 2025-03-01 00:06:29 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> erm, don't have to evaluate the backend server actions |
| 2025-03-01 00:07:08 +0100 | <c_wraith> | It doesn't *really* work that way, thanks to needing to compile eagerly |
| 2025-03-01 00:07:40 +0100 | <c_wraith> | obelisk's trick is to change the libraries grabbed by a particular name depending on what it's targeting |
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| 2025-03-01 00:12:32 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> i mean it can be done on a function level |
| 2025-03-01 00:13:30 +0100 | __monty__ | (~toonn@user/toonn) (Quit: leaving) |
| 2025-03-01 00:16:44 +0100 | <geekosaur> | it's possible to pick a backend at runtime by using something like environment variables, but this turns out to require low level enough hackery that it has to be done in C/C++ even though conceptually it's just populating a struct of function pointers (because populating that struct requires dlopen/dlsym) |
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| 2025-03-01 00:24:11 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> tbh i mean it's just free monad interpreter, but have different interpreter functions |
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| 2025-03-01 00:30:05 +0100 | <geekosaur> | well, except ideally you don't want to have to statically compile in every backend |
| 2025-03-01 00:30:07 +0100 | k_hachig_ | (~k_hachig@bras-base-toroon0247w-grc-123-70-29-50-103.dsl.bell.ca) k_hachig |
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| 2025-03-01 00:33:05 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> but is my hunch correct, that, say, there is value in being able to define your frontend and your backend at the same time? |
| 2025-03-01 00:35:07 +0100 | <geekosaur> | one would think so, but then one must ask why only obelisk did so and it's pretty much dead. I wonder if there's a "lessons from" somewhere |
| 2025-03-01 00:35:27 +0100 | remexre | (~remexre@user/remexre) remexre |
| 2025-03-01 00:35:41 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> reflex received an update in january |
| 2025-03-01 00:35:56 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> i'd see reflex's mistakes as being, #1, nix-bound, #2, FRP |
| 2025-03-01 00:36:00 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> overloaded the novelty budget |
| 2025-03-01 00:36:28 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> being lens/optics-based makes it dumb enough for commodity programmers, being cabal-based means that you don't require learning nix on top of everything else |
| 2025-03-01 00:37:29 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> also iirc Obsidian had a business model of providing support for users, which isn't good for uptake |
| 2025-03-01 00:37:42 +0100 | <geekosaur> | not sure I'd call them mistakes considering their website suggests they have a decent number of commercial users |
| 2025-03-01 00:39:28 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> actually they're doing better than i remembered |
| 2025-03-01 00:40:34 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/reflex |
| 2025-03-01 00:41:03 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> obsidian does direct work, but they also got screwed by being bound to 8.8 because of the old GHCJS being abandonware |
| 2025-03-01 00:41:13 +0100 | Googulator79 | (~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-14b2-c443-5a96-b49d-1dd5.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed) |
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| 2025-03-01 00:44:29 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> the reflex package was also updated last month |
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| 2025-03-01 00:51:48 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> thanks for the discussion! |
| 2025-03-01 00:52:16 +0100 | <c_wraith> | there's still room for something like obelisk when the new JS backend for GHC stabilizes |
| 2025-03-01 00:52:32 +0100 | <c_wraith> | But yeah, being dependent on ghcjs definitely hurt it |
| 2025-03-01 00:53:25 +0100 | machinedgod | (~machinedg@d108-173-18-100.abhsia.telus.net) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-03-01 00:53:37 +0100 | <c_wraith> | obelisk also needed a better story for server-side services - a way to say "this calculation needs to run on the server. If this is a client, make a remote call" |
| 2025-03-01 00:54:08 +0100 | <c_wraith> | doing that was a major pain point when I tried it out |
| 2025-03-01 00:55:14 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-03-01 00:55:30 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> data Object = MkObject {frontend :: FrontEnd, client :: ClientCode, backend :: BackEnd} |
| 2025-03-01 00:55:45 +0100 | yegorc | (~yegorc@user/yegorc) yegorc |
| 2025-03-01 00:57:00 +0100 | <c_wraith> | that doesn't work when you have to compile eagerly |
| 2025-03-01 00:58:00 +0100 | <c_wraith> | Do you want to compile the postgres driver into your frontend? |
| 2025-03-01 00:58:03 +0100 | yegorc | (~yegorc@user/yegorc) () |
| 2025-03-01 00:58:07 +0100 | <c_wraith> | No? |
| 2025-03-01 00:58:21 +0100 | <c_wraith> | Well then, you need to have different dependencies on each target |
| 2025-03-01 00:58:33 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> libraries |
| 2025-03-01 00:58:45 +0100 | <c_wraith> | so... different dependencies on each target? |
| 2025-03-01 00:58:48 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> ah, yes, i see what you mean |
| 2025-03-01 00:59:26 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> no, but if the functions aren't used at all, shouldn't they be excluded from the binary? |
| 2025-03-01 00:59:36 +0100 | <c_wraith> | Only at link time |
| 2025-03-01 00:59:44 +0100 | <c_wraith> | They have to have built before that. |
| 2025-03-01 01:00:18 +0100 | ell | (~ellie@user/ellie) ellie |
| 2025-03-01 01:01:07 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> you could hack it with CPP, i suppose |
| 2025-03-01 01:01:14 +0100 | <c_wraith> | You can do better than that |
| 2025-03-01 01:01:42 +0100 | <c_wraith> | You can put platform-specific stuff in separate trees and conditionally include those trees depending on platform in cabal |
| 2025-03-01 01:02:05 +0100 | <c_wraith> | But it involves a lot of manual work, and a good platform would have a better abstraction for that. |
| 2025-03-01 01:02:15 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> but the entire point is so that you're building full stack in one module, one module at a time |
| 2025-03-01 01:02:43 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> tbh with CPP, you don't actually need Haskell |
| 2025-03-01 01:06:10 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomorphic_JavaScript |
| 2025-03-01 01:06:16 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> also this is basically what i was looking for, oh well |
| 2025-03-01 01:12:33 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> that also brings miso into play, which advertises itself as isomorphic |
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| 2025-03-01 02:07:47 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> but c_wraith, I'm still wondering, if you have a simple datatype of backend, frontend, client |
| 2025-03-01 02:08:00 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> i mean, you can still opt to go the compiler plugin route |
| 2025-03-01 02:08:01 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> ugh |
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| 2025-03-01 10:03:09 +0100 | <[exa]> | morning all! saturday package scan: is there anything like Aeson that would somewhat transparently work with JSON-LD "annotations"? I assume it could be done quite reasonably with custom aeson instances, but ideally I'd like autogenerated instances that have the proper annotations already. |
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| 2025-03-01 10:50:06 +0100 | <euouae> | Hello if I want to include numbers in my source files is it possible without breaking the emacs IDE or lsp etc? |
| 2025-03-01 10:51:05 +0100 | lxsameer | (~lxsameer@Serene/lxsameer) lxsameer |
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| 2025-03-01 10:54:02 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | ... what |
| 2025-03-01 10:54:19 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | > 2 |
| 2025-03-01 10:54:20 +0100 | <lambdabot> | 2 |
| 2025-03-01 10:54:23 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | those kinds of numbers? |
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| 2025-03-01 11:18:03 +0100 | Tuplanolla | (~Tuplanoll@91-159-69-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi) Tuplanolla |
| 2025-03-01 11:19:11 +0100 | gmg | (~user@user/gehmehgeh) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2025-03-01 11:22:13 +0100 | gmg | (~user@user/gehmehgeh) gehmehgeh |
| 2025-03-01 11:24:04 +0100 | <[exa]> | tomsmeding: might be that LSP nowadays breaks even on this |
| 2025-03-01 11:28:37 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | [exa]: I can tell you that I am successfully using numbers in my haskell code |
| 2025-03-01 11:28:56 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | the neither my editor, nor the LSP, nor HLS breaks on numbers |
| 2025-03-01 11:33:08 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-03-01 11:35:08 +0100 | <Leary> | I fear they're trying to write HASIC. |
| 2025-03-01 11:35:40 +0100 | CryptLab | (NSA@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/commanderbond007) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-03-01 11:35:42 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | it would be hilarious if someone actually made an implementation of HASIC |
| 2025-03-01 11:35:44 +0100 | <sprout> | line numbers I assume |
| 2025-03-01 11:36:13 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | euouae: the tension is killing, enlighten us |
| 2025-03-01 11:37:37 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-03-01 11:38:05 +0100 | <mauke> | 10 main :: IO () |
| 2025-03-01 11:38:09 +0100 | <mauke> | 20 main = do |
| 2025-03-01 11:38:17 +0100 | <mauke> | 30 putStrLn "hello" |
| 2025-03-01 11:38:22 +0100 | <mauke> | 40 goto 20 |
| 2025-03-01 11:38:38 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | what would that even _mean_ |
| 2025-03-01 11:39:03 +0100 | <mauke> | just be glad that I didn't jump into the type signature! |
| 2025-03-01 11:39:35 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | somewhat, but I'm still uncomfortable |
| 2025-03-01 11:40:31 +0100 | <mauke> | oh, I just thought of another way to "include numbers in my source files" |
| 2025-03-01 11:40:37 +0100 | <mauke> | #include "/dev/fd/0" |
| 2025-03-01 11:41:23 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | that's about as reasonable an interpretation as claiming that they're used to macOS and actually meant a spreadsheet |
| 2025-03-01 11:43:22 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | mauke: on second thoughts I'm starting to like your last suggestion |
| 2025-03-01 11:43:42 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | it's as close as you're going to get to "including" a "number", really |
| 2025-03-01 11:46:37 +0100 | <euouae> | tomsmeding: oh sorry, I mean file *names* |
| 2025-03-01 11:46:57 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | we were getting so close! |
| 2025-03-01 11:47:03 +0100 | <euouae> | I'm doing some leetcode challenges but 123.hs is bad I think |
| 2025-03-01 11:47:21 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | works perfectly fine for me |
| 2025-03-01 11:47:26 +0100 | <euouae> | anyway right now I just have all the solutions in one file separated by -- * |
| 2025-03-01 11:47:27 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | it's not a valid file name in a cabal project |
| 2025-03-01 11:47:36 +0100 | <euouae> | oh yeah, I use cabal |
| 2025-03-01 11:47:39 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | but as a single file, HLS is okay with it for me |
| 2025-03-01 11:47:53 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | in a cabal project, a module file must always have the module name as its file name |
| 2025-03-01 11:47:58 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | and module names must start with a capital letter |
| 2025-03-01 11:48:19 +0100 | <euouae> | Perhaps I can do something like E123.hs for exercise 123? |
| 2025-03-01 11:48:22 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | yes |
| 2025-03-01 11:48:35 +0100 | <euouae> | Okay, thank you. I'm actually thinking I'll just keep it all in one flat file |
| 2025-03-01 11:49:14 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | euouae: imagine what would happen if you would try to use such a module qualified |
| 2025-03-01 11:49:20 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | > Data.Maybe.isJust (Just 42) |
| 2025-03-01 11:49:22 +0100 | <lambdabot> | True |
| 2025-03-01 11:49:37 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | would that be `Exercises.12 input`? how would the parser even know what you mean tthere |
| 2025-03-01 11:50:28 +0100 | <euouae> | I get ti |
| 2025-03-01 11:50:40 +0100 | <euouae> | Another stupid question, in my test/ I have Main.hs and Tests.hs |
| 2025-03-01 11:50:55 +0100 | <euouae> | Tests.hs has the hedgehog generated/discovered tests, how can I import that in Main.hs? |
| 2025-03-01 11:51:05 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | `import Tests`? |
| 2025-03-01 11:51:10 +0100 | <euouae> | I get `These modules are needed for compilation but not listed in your .cabal file's other-modules for ‘leetcode-0.1.0.0-inplace-leetcode-test’ :` |
| 2025-03-01 11:51:17 +0100 | <euouae> | naming Tests as the module |
| 2025-03-01 11:51:27 +0100 | <euouae> | It's a warning-Wmissing-home-modules |
| 2025-03-01 11:51:27 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | right, you need `other-modules: Tests` in the test-suite block in your cabal file |
| 2025-03-01 11:51:55 +0100 | __monty__ | (~toonn@user/toonn) toonn |
| 2025-03-01 11:51:55 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | you always need to list all modules that you're defining in the cabal file, either in other-modules or in exposed-modules (the latter relevant only for libraries) |
| 2025-03-01 11:52:26 +0100 | <euouae> | nice, thakn you |
| 2025-03-01 11:54:14 +0100 | <Leary> | tomsmeding: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/BASIC-0.1.5.0/docs/Language-BASIC.html |
| 2025-03-01 11:59:29 +0100 | killy | (~killy@terminal-3-187.retsat1.com.pl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
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| 2025-03-01 12:12:22 +0100 | talisman` | (~user@2601:644:937c:ed10::ae5) |
| 2025-03-01 12:13:03 +0100 | <euouae> | Does anyone know how I can turn off all the hlint recommendations |
| 2025-03-01 12:13:08 +0100 | <euouae> | holy cow they're annoying on emacs |
| 2025-03-01 12:13:56 +0100 | <euouae> | You're moving the cursor point on a symbol to see its type and boom Clippy pops up "It looks like you're not optimizing your endofunctors here" |
| 2025-03-01 12:14:21 +0100 | <euouae> | I've tried to turn them off selectively I'm thinking that I just don't want them at all |
| 2025-03-01 12:14:33 +0100 | talismanick | (~user@2601:644:937c:ed10::ae5) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2025-03-01 12:17:37 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | euouae: figure out where you put language server configuration in your emacs LSP client |
| 2025-03-01 12:17:56 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | the setting you need to set is haskell.plugin.hlint.globalOn = false |
| 2025-03-01 12:18:32 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-03-01 12:23:05 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2025-03-01 12:24:45 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | Leary: I've actually seen that before, it's genius |
| 2025-03-01 12:27:37 +0100 | <euouae> | thank you!! |
| 2025-03-01 12:27:38 +0100 | tzh | (~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) (Quit: zzz) |
| 2025-03-01 12:28:02 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | (I have that set, as well as haskell.plugin.stan.globalOn = false) |
| 2025-03-01 12:28:09 +0100 | <euouae> | what's that? |
| 2025-03-01 12:28:15 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | more annoying messages :3 |
| 2025-03-01 12:28:17 +0100 | <euouae> | I think stan is the otehr one. I've noticed I get lint-like things from 2 difefrent sources |
| 2025-03-01 12:29:02 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I'm not saying stan or hlint are bad, I personally just don't need or want them in my editor (and I think HLS is a bit over-eager in making them opt-out instead of opt-in) |
| 2025-03-01 12:29:10 +0100 | <euouae> | They should be opt-in |
| 2025-03-01 12:29:27 +0100 | <euouae> | but anyway, the slice of haskell + emacs programmers is so small that maybe it doesn't matter |
| 2025-03-01 12:29:39 +0100 | <euouae> | they're just not interacting well with emacs, that's all |
| 2025-03-01 12:29:49 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | euouae: how does it look in emacs? |
| 2025-03-01 12:30:01 +0100 | <euouae> | It's attention-grabbing and erratic |
| 2025-03-01 12:30:20 +0100 | <euouae> | pop up messages that hide other stuff, etc |
| 2025-03-01 12:30:26 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I find them annoying in vim too but from what you're saying it's not quite as bad :) |
| 2025-03-01 12:30:31 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | do warnings also pop up? |
| 2025-03-01 12:30:36 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I'd find that annoying too :p |
| 2025-03-01 12:30:40 +0100 | <euouae> | no, those are in a separate window |
| 2025-03-01 12:30:52 +0100 | <euouae> | I can check whatever I need when I check that window |
| 2025-03-01 12:31:02 +0100 | <euouae> | but I don't want squiggly lines, annoying pop ups, etc |
| 2025-03-01 12:31:06 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | oh wait 'info'-level messages are more in-your-face than warnings? |
| 2025-03-01 12:31:15 +0100 | <euouae> | yeah lol |
| 2025-03-01 12:31:19 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | that sounds like a mistake in the emacs lsp client :p |
| 2025-03-01 12:31:32 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | because this is not just HLS, those levels are in the LSP protocol in general |
| 2025-03-01 12:31:54 +0100 | <euouae> | Emasc UI is not designed for *all* intents and purposes. Certain things are anti patterns in emacs |
| 2025-03-01 12:31:58 +0100 | <euouae> | in particular popup messages |
| 2025-03-01 12:32:20 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | sounds like this is your chance to improve emacs :) |
| 2025-03-01 12:32:22 +0100 | <euouae> | well I can't fix everything, so I'll just ignore this |
| 2025-03-01 12:32:26 +0100 | <euouae> | yeah I knew you were going to say this |
| 2025-03-01 12:32:28 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | :p |
| 2025-03-01 12:32:34 +0100 | <euouae> | I've sent hundreds of useless stupid patches over time |
| 2025-03-01 12:32:45 +0100 | <euouae> | and sometimes, I've even gotten into fights for those stupid patches... I'm kind of checked out |
| 2025-03-01 12:32:58 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I totally understand :p |
| 2025-03-01 12:36:45 +0100 | <euouae> | sweet! I got it to work. thank you |
| 2025-03-01 12:36:59 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | yay |
| 2025-03-01 12:38:42 +0100 | <euouae> | tomsmeding: it doesn't help I have a generally different temperament from the average programmer. kind of a short fuse, and it's been getting shorter... It's only so many times I can keep it together when I send a doc patch that turns into a feature rewrite into getting lectured on x86 assembly cycle cost |
| 2025-03-01 12:38:56 +0100 | rvalue | (~rvalue@user/rvalue) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-03-01 12:38:57 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | heh |
| 2025-03-01 12:39:28 +0100 | rvalue | (~rvalue@user/rvalue) rvalue |
| 2025-03-01 12:39:55 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | the nice thing about open source is that you can contribute, but also that you can fork, and furthermore that nobody requires you to contribute :p |
| 2025-03-01 12:41:03 +0100 | <euouae> | When I was a wee bit naive I thought it was a good idea to spend a few months studying the source of a somewhat complicated program (cryptography, etc) before sending a message to the dev, asking to join the project |
| 2025-03-01 12:41:50 +0100 | <euouae> | I got a really deflationary message in response. I thought, I know, I'll rewrite it in Rust. A few more weeks, (or months was it?) I realized I made the wrong design choice by going with green threads because the rust USB library does not support them |
| 2025-03-01 12:42:30 +0100 | <euouae> | and then libusb + async was this huge rabbit hole wish list item that I never went down to. gave up ;p |
| 2025-03-01 12:42:38 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | yeah in the haskell playground readme I have a note saying to get in contact before you write lots of code, precisely for this reason |
| 2025-03-01 12:42:58 +0100 | <euouae> | No, you're so right. But sometimes you make mistakes before you learn |
| 2025-03-01 12:43:35 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | re forking: I build my own HLS because I have a particular patch that I want in there but I'm too lazy to properly contribute a configuration setting for it |
| 2025-03-01 12:43:52 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I asked for that setting (can't find the issue now) but it never materialised, so periodic room heating is what it is |
| 2025-03-01 12:43:52 +0100 | wootehfoot | (~wootehfoo@user/wootehfoot) wootehfoot |
| 2025-03-01 12:44:46 +0100 | <euouae> | lol |
| 2025-03-01 12:45:46 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | here we go https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/2332#issuecomment-965094062 |
| 2025-03-01 12:46:49 +0100 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) L29Ah |
| 2025-03-01 12:47:25 +0100 | <euouae> | looks like your questoin went unanswered heh |
| 2025-03-01 12:47:40 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I even specifically gave them licence to not answer |
| 2025-03-01 12:47:56 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I'm not blaming them :p |
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| 2025-03-01 14:57:23 +0100 | <Axman6> | Anyone know why when I have an executable in my cabal file, when I use "ghc-options: -O2 -threaded -rtsopts -with-rtsopts=-N" I get "unexpected RTS argument: "-N"" and the rts help printed out, including the help telling me I can use -N? |
| 2025-03-01 14:58:04 +0100 | <Axman6> | It's particularly frustrating because I can see there's thousands of cabal files on github using exactly this pattern |
| 2025-03-01 15:00:34 +0100 | bitdex | (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-03-01 15:00:58 +0100 | bitdex | (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) bitdex |
| 2025-03-01 15:01:26 +0100 | eL_Bart0 | (eL_Bart0@dietunichtguten.org) |
| 2025-03-01 15:03:58 +0100 | <Axman6> | URGH, cabal build wasn't rebuilding my binary when the flags changed! FFS |
| 2025-03-01 15:05:31 +0100 | JuanDaugherty | (~juan@user/JuanDaugherty) (Quit: praxis.meansofproduction.biz (juan@acm.org)) |
| 2025-03-01 15:07:41 +0100 | <mauke> | ca-ching |
| 2025-03-01 15:11:15 +0100 | pavonia | (~user@user/siracusa) (Quit: Bye!) |
| 2025-03-01 15:19:03 +0100 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) user363627 |
| 2025-03-01 15:19:26 +0100 | GdeVolpiano | Guest2641 |
| 2025-03-01 15:19:26 +0100 | GdeVolpi1 | GdeVolpiano |
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| 2025-03-01 15:29:18 +0100 | <int-e> | Axman6: Let me go out on a limb and ask... what non-ELF platform is this? |
| 2025-03-01 15:34:34 +0100 | <int-e> | (cabal-install relies on GHC for recompilation checks. I learned recently that GHC stores compile flags in a special section in ELF executables to make that work, but not on other platforms) |
| 2025-03-01 15:36:31 +0100 | ash3en | (~Thunderbi@2a03:7846:b6eb:101:93ac:a90a:da67:f207) ash3en |
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| 2025-03-01 15:50:50 +0100 | euouae | (~euouae@user/euouae) () |
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| 2025-03-01 16:07:55 +0100 | <Axman6> | it is indeed macOS |
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| 2025-03-01 20:16:23 +0100 | <Guest1> | Good evening everyone (GMT+1) here |
| 2025-03-01 20:16:41 +0100 | <Guest1> | I have a strange issue with cabal/ghc |
| 2025-03-01 20:17:04 +0100 | <Guest1> | Currently working under macOS, no idea if it’s related |
| 2025-03-01 20:17:14 +0100 | gawen | (~gawen@user/gawen) gawen |
| 2025-03-01 20:21:01 +0100 | <Guest1> | I created an empty project (cabal init), filled two dependencies (duckdb-haskell, yaml), and « cabal build »… then cabal seems stuck with the message « Building duckdb-haskell-0.1.0.0 (lib) ». No network usage, no CPU… nothing. |
| 2025-03-01 20:22:44 +0100 | <[exa]> | Guest1: wow, can you try something like `dtrace` if available to check where it is stuck? |
| 2025-03-01 20:22:58 +0100 | <[exa]> | maybe it's `truss`, on linux it's normally `strace` |
| 2025-03-01 20:23:26 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> Guest1, check if it's using up your memory, with top |
| 2025-03-01 20:23:58 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> * memory and swapping, |
| 2025-03-01 20:24:23 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> you could also make it more verbose with -v |
| 2025-03-01 20:25:18 +0100 | <Guest1> | using top and the monitor (graphical top for macosx) only shows the cabal process, but no cpu, no memory hogs |
| 2025-03-01 20:25:35 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> (as a mac user, I can say that trace/truss won't be easy) |
| 2025-03-01 20:25:52 +0100 | <Guest1> | With -v, it stops on the message. Running: /Users/slac/.ghcup/bin/cabal-3.12.1.0 act-as-setup '--build-type=Simple' -- build '--verbose=2' '--builddir=dist' |
| 2025-03-01 20:26:01 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> maybe it's hung on networking then ? |
| 2025-03-01 20:26:26 +0100 | acidjnk_new | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e7283f23fd140dc145444417.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2025-03-01 20:27:34 +0100 | <Guest1> | good idea : I do have a firewall which could block scripts and terminal commands. I usually do get alert messages when some program tries to access the Internet, but maybe it’s silently failing here. |
| 2025-03-01 20:29:49 +0100 | <Guest1> | Hmm… not sure, not seeing anything on the FW. I do not know dtrace, how could it help me on this ? |
| 2025-03-01 20:32:16 +0100 | lxsameer | (~lxsameer@Serene/lxsameer) lxsameer |
| 2025-03-01 20:33:40 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> do you have little snitch running ? Nothing recently denied ? |
| 2025-03-01 20:34:22 +0100 | <Guest1> | No. The issue seems to come from the duckdb package. cabal works fine if I remove that dependency. |
| 2025-03-01 20:34:36 +0100 | <[exa]> | Guest1: ah it's `dtruss` on mac, sorry for confusion. Basically you can connect it to a process and see what systemcall it's hung on. See e.g. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31045575/how-to-trace-system-calls-of-a-program-in-mac-os-x |
| 2025-03-01 20:35:16 +0100 | <[exa]> | (wow the thread even shows `ktrace` as alternative, never seen that, cool.) |
| 2025-03-01 20:35:26 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> That's a 10 year old answer unfortunately, it's much harder to do now |
| 2025-03-01 20:35:42 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> Guest, I would run cabal with more verbose output |
| 2025-03-01 20:36:23 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> oh, you did |
| 2025-03-01 20:36:57 +0100 | k_hachig_ | k_hachig |
| 2025-03-01 20:37:05 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> maybe duckdb does something funny in its Setup.hs |
| 2025-03-01 20:37:32 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> it seems to be not a published package |
| 2025-03-01 20:37:57 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> do you mean https://hackage.haskell.org/package/duckdb-haskell ? |
| 2025-03-01 20:38:05 +0100 | <Guest1> | sorry, dtruss doesn’t work because of security protection |
| 2025-03-01 20:38:13 +0100 | gawen | (~gawen@user/gawen) (Quit: cya) |
| 2025-03-01 20:38:14 +0100 | <Guest1> | sm: yes I do |
| 2025-03-01 20:39:07 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> possibly related: https://github.com/sighingnow/duckdb-haskell/issues/1 |
| 2025-03-01 20:40:03 +0100 | <Guest1> | yes indeed… |
| 2025-03-01 20:40:11 +0100 | <geekosaur> | my butt says system protections are slowing it for some reason. (on windows almost certainly true; you need to disable antivirus scanning for some things to run at normal speed) |
| 2025-03-01 20:40:58 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I think ghcup instal lon windows warns you of this, although it might not detect wsl2 install. but this is a mac so w/e |
| 2025-03-01 20:41:06 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I haven't heard of mac SIP causing slowness.. usually it just says no |
| 2025-03-01 20:41:27 +0100 | <Guest1> | It’s the issue’s birthday, by the way ;) |
| 2025-03-01 20:42:20 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> that's a lot of cpp files. But compiling those should be fast and shouldn't hang, right |
| 2025-03-01 20:42:40 +0100 | <Guest1> | Maybe it’ll only take 10 minutes, I have an M3, which is supposed to be faster :) |
| 2025-03-01 20:43:07 +0100 | <Guest1> | Thank you, everyone. Very much. |
| 2025-03-01 20:43:22 +0100 | gawen | (~gawen@user/gawen) gawen |
| 2025-03-01 20:43:57 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-03-01 20:45:13 +0100 | Digit | (~user@user/digit) Digit |
| 2025-03-01 20:48:46 +0100 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) Sgeo |
| 2025-03-01 20:48:54 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2025-03-01 20:55:31 +0100 | michalz | (~michalz@185.246.207.222) |
| 2025-03-01 20:59:18 +0100 | xal | (~xal@mx1.xal.systems) (Quit: bye) |
| 2025-03-01 20:59:52 +0100 | xal | (~xal@mx1.xal.systems) xal |
| 2025-03-01 21:00:04 +0100 | caconym | (~caconym@user/caconym) (Quit: bye) |
| 2025-03-01 21:01:10 +0100 | caconym | (~caconym@user/caconym) caconym |
| 2025-03-01 21:02:37 +0100 | user_ | (~user@user/fmira) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-03-01 21:02:55 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> sustained no cpu activity sounds suspect though. |
| 2025-03-01 21:03:04 +0100 | user_ | (~user@user/fmira) fmira |
| 2025-03-01 21:03:19 +0100 | k_hachig | (~k_hachig@2607:fea8:351d:ef0:35c6:9be8:bd26:143) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-03-01 21:15:24 +0100 | picnoir | (~picnoir@about/aquilenet/vodoo/NinjaTrappeur) (Quit: WeeChat 4.5.1) |
| 2025-03-01 21:16:09 +0100 | hattckory | (~hattckory@bras-base-toroon4524w-grc-48-184-145-138-167.dsl.bell.ca) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-03-01 21:16:43 +0100 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich |
| 2025-03-01 21:16:46 +0100 | picnoir | (~picnoir@about/aquilenet/vodoo/NinjaTrappeur) NinjaTrappeur |
| 2025-03-01 21:19:41 +0100 | Unicorn_Princess | (~Unicorn_P@user/Unicorn-Princess/x-3540542) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2025-03-01 21:29:21 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-03-01 21:30:34 +0100 | hattckory | (~hattckory@bras-base-toroon4524w-grc-48-184-145-138-167.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 2025-03-01 21:33:39 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-03-01 21:35:41 +0100 | <Guest1> | yes, indeed. That’s why I was confused in the first place, as it was my first guess (cpu or network hog) |
| 2025-03-01 21:38:23 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> if stuck, maybe download that package and compare building from the source tree |
| 2025-03-01 21:38:27 +0100 | hattckory | (~hattckory@bras-base-toroon4524w-grc-48-184-145-138-167.dsl.bell.ca) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2025-03-01 21:38:46 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> and/or with stack |
| 2025-03-01 21:40:10 +0100 | Guest1 | (~Guest90@231.11.11.93.rev.sfr.net) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2025-03-01 21:40:51 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I tried building here.. what did you do to satisfy " #include <memory>" ? |
| 2025-03-01 21:42:28 +0100 | lxsameer | (~lxsameer@Serene/lxsameer) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-03-01 21:52:26 +0100 | Digitteknohippie | (~user@user/digit) Digit |
| 2025-03-01 21:53:36 +0100 | Digit | (~user@user/digit) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-03-01 21:53:53 +0100 | <mauke> | <memory> is a standard C++ header |
| 2025-03-01 22:04:18 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> not here.. |
| 2025-03-01 22:05:00 +0100 | simplystuart | (~simplystu@c-75-75-152-164.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2025-03-01 22:05:46 +0100 | simplystuart | (~simplystu@c-75-75-152-164.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 2025-03-01 22:05:55 +0100 | bitdex | (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) bitdex |
| 2025-03-01 22:07:19 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> or rather: I just wanted to know what my fellow mac user did to avoid this when building duckdb-haskell https://termbin.com/bkgs |
| 2025-03-01 22:07:19 +0100 | synchromesh | (~john@2406:5a00:24cf:bb00:bc6d:a873:1cc2:c331) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-03-01 22:08:24 +0100 | synchromesh | (~john@2406:5a00:24cf:bb00:9992:10a:da26:56df) synchromesh |
| 2025-03-01 22:08:39 +0100 | <sm> | but they've moved on |
| 2025-03-01 22:08:49 +0100 | <sm> | and I should too. :) |
| 2025-03-01 22:10:52 +0100 | Pozyomka | (~pyon@user/pyon) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-03-01 22:10:52 +0100 | Pozyomka_ | (~pyon@user/pyon) pyon |
| 2025-03-01 22:11:23 +0100 | poscat | (~poscat@user/poscat) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-03-01 22:12:03 +0100 | simplystuart | (~simplystu@c-75-75-152-164.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2025-03-01 22:12:28 +0100 | k_hachig_ | (~k_hachig@2607:fea8:351d:ef0:35c6:9be8:bd26:143) k_hachig |
| 2025-03-01 22:12:55 +0100 | simplystuart | (~simplystu@c-75-75-152-164.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 2025-03-01 22:13:32 +0100 | poscat | (~poscat@user/poscat) poscat |
| 2025-03-01 22:15:25 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-03-01 22:19:49 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-03-01 22:23:01 +0100 | simplystuart | (~simplystu@c-75-75-152-164.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-03-01 22:25:39 +0100 | hattckory | (~hattckory@bras-base-toroon4524w-grc-48-184-145-138-167.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 2025-03-01 22:41:32 +0100 | <kaol> | GHC is too easy to use. I propose that every extension has to have a word in their name with a different spelling in British and US English and that we randomize which one to use for each. |
| 2025-03-01 22:42:48 +0100 | tromp | (~textual@2a02:a210:cba:8500:dc22:4f8f:98d9:547) |
| 2025-03-01 22:43:19 +0100 | <c_wraith> | that's still just memorization. better randomize the correct choice for each compilation |
| 2025-03-01 22:43:27 +0100 | JuanDaugherty | (~juan@user/JuanDaugherty) JuanDaugherty |
| 2025-03-01 22:46:01 +0100 | <mauke> | include some fake british spellings, too |