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2025-11-29 00:01:55 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> I just wish you could customize typeclass operators
2025-11-29 00:02:17 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> like you could declare group(*) and get a multiplicative group :P
2025-11-29 00:03:04 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> I guess it's already possible with TH
2025-11-29 00:03:05 +0100 <monochrom> Integers, if you just require semigroup, then there are plus, times, min, max.
2025-11-29 00:03:43 +0100 <monochrom> For Word you can also throw in bitwise operations :)
2025-11-29 00:04:01 +0100 <monochrom> at least and, or, xor, xnor
2025-11-29 00:04:34 +0100 <EvanR> what just happened
2025-11-29 00:04:48 +0100 <EvanR> you did an exhaustive check against the monoid laws?
2025-11-29 00:04:55 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> Like you could make a TH splice that will make a (semi)group over an operator that you pass it
2025-11-29 00:05:29 +0100 <EvanR> loonycyborg, it sounds like that would really fuel the "too many operators" crowd
2025-11-29 00:05:46 +0100 <EvanR> defining new operators gets hate so you don't want to do it easily
2025-11-29 00:06:08 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> but it doesn't count as new operator right?
2025-11-29 00:06:18 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> if you only use those that are traditionally groups
2025-11-29 00:06:19 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-11-29 00:06:23 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> like + *
2025-11-29 00:06:52 +0100 <EvanR> was just watching an old Stand Up Maths where he goes over a totally bogus economic formula published by ... a certain government
2025-11-29 00:07:04 +0100 <EvanR> it contains * in it as an operator, like, an asterisk
2025-11-29 00:07:10 +0100 <EvanR> with fancy formatted math
2025-11-29 00:07:27 +0100 <monochrom> I think I saw that, yeah.
2025-11-29 00:07:34 +0100 <EvanR> as an aside he observed... that's not a thing you do xD
2025-11-29 00:08:03 +0100 <EvanR> so no you don't usually see asterisk as a group operator
2025-11-29 00:08:08 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> I remember reading somewhere about a window system that overloaded + to add new widgets or something :P
2025-11-29 00:08:15 +0100tromp(~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:9176:7929:ae5a:d4f6) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2025-11-29 00:08:44 +0100 <EvanR> to be fair ascii doesn't have that many symbols so you might think that's why everything can be +-ed in designers minds
2025-11-29 00:08:52 +0100 <EvanR> but I think it's a deeper psychosis
2025-11-29 00:08:53 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> well multiplication is a group too in most cases.
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2025-11-29 00:11:06 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> I was just thinking that in many cases particular operator just happens to form a group
2025-11-29 00:11:18 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> then you can save some typing by generating a group for it with TH
2025-11-29 00:11:28 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> and then superclassing it
2025-11-29 00:12:03 +0100 <monochrom> Until one says something like "$130 plus 5% plus 6%" OK OK that's group actions. :)
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2025-11-29 06:28:00 +0100 <gentauro> geekosaur: and EvanR thx for answers. I guess you are right. `map fromEnum` it is :)
2025-11-29 06:28:27 +0100 <EvanR> :t map fromEnum
2025-11-29 06:28:28 +0100 <lambdabot> Enum a => [a] -> [Int]
2025-11-29 06:28:45 +0100 <EvanR> good
2025-11-29 06:28:50 +0100 <gentauro> :)
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2025-11-29 13:06:12 +0100 <yarl> Hello, I got "Error 503 Backend is unhealthy" for many links on downloads.haskell.org (e.g. https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/latest/)
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2025-11-29 13:08:58 +0100 <yarl> Am I alone? Is it known?
2025-11-29 13:09:11 +0100 <[exa]> you're not alone
2025-11-29 13:09:36 +0100 <jreicher> The explicitly versioned links work for me though
2025-11-29 13:09:49 +0100 <jreicher> The stuff linked to from https://www.haskell.org/ghc/
2025-11-29 13:09:57 +0100 <[exa]> anyway yeah there've been minor capacity issues, iirc mainly triggered by chatbots scraping stuff 103457294857 times everyday
2025-11-29 13:10:32 +0100n0den1te(~n0den1te@106.222.223.139) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-11-29 13:12:30 +0100 <yarl> I can't access gitlab.haskell.org, connection has timed out.
2025-11-29 13:12:35 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-11-29 13:13:36 +0100 <[exa]> same here
2025-11-29 13:16:01 +0100 <[exa]> actually if this persists for a weird amount of time, ask in #hackage
2025-11-29 13:17:05 +0100 <yarl> I want to access https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/wikis/GHC%20Status#all-released-ghc-versions to know and get first aarch64 supported ghc. I think that it started being distributed with 8.2.1 by navigating through https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc, I can reach https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/8.2.1/ but not https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/8.2.1/ghc-8.2.1-aarch64-deb8-linux.tar.xz.
2025-11-29 13:17:53 +0100 <yarl> I am doing this to try to package ghc for aarch64 into guix.
2025-11-29 13:20:43 +0100 <[exa]> that might be in the release notes in the manual actually
2025-11-29 13:21:06 +0100 <yarl> I still need the archive.
2025-11-29 13:21:23 +0100 <yarl> But I'll take a look.
2025-11-29 13:22:06 +0100L29Ah(~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) L29Ah
2025-11-29 13:22:10 +0100 <[exa]> from git the first mention of aarch64 is in ghc-7.11-start-35-g58ac9c8f6e9 (from git describe)
2025-11-29 13:23:00 +0100 <yarl> I am looking specifically (I thlink) for the first aarch64 binary distributed
2025-11-29 13:23:39 +0100 <yarl> I can't reach the manual at https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/users_guide/
2025-11-29 13:23:44 +0100 <[exa]> ah ok well, that might need the actual archive
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2025-11-29 13:24:38 +0100mreh(~matthew@host86-146-25-125.range86-146.btcentralplus.com) mreh
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2025-11-29 13:26:09 +0100 <yarl> That's early to give up but I can't access anything.
2025-11-29 13:26:35 +0100deptype(~deptype@2406:b400:3a:9d2f:c69d:44e0:8637:bad1)
2025-11-29 13:28:16 +0100 <[exa]> yarl: web.archive.org ?
2025-11-29 13:28:25 +0100 <[exa]> at least the link listings should be readable there
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2025-11-29 13:31:00 +0100 <mreh> how can I traverse over the first element of a 2-tuple?
2025-11-29 13:31:15 +0100 <mreh> Probably lots of ways to do it
2025-11-29 13:32:15 +0100 <[exa]> yes lots of ways
2025-11-29 13:32:26 +0100 <[exa]> :D
2025-11-29 13:33:16 +0100qqe(~qqq@185.54.22.255) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-11-29 13:33:42 +0100 <[exa]> mreh: there was a Swapped newtype adaptor somewhere
2025-11-29 13:33:50 +0100 <Leary> :t \f -> bitraverse @(,) f pure
2025-11-29 13:33:51 +0100 <lambdabot> Applicative f => (a -> f c) -> (a, d) -> f (c, d)
2025-11-29 13:34:08 +0100 <[exa]> <3 ^
2025-11-29 13:36:49 +0100 <mreh> hoogle is down :(
2025-11-29 13:37:34 +0100 <mreh> can it be done with an arbitrary lens?
2025-11-29 13:37:46 +0100 <mreh> feels like that's something I should have in my toolbox
2025-11-29 13:38:55 +0100 <mreh> bitraverse sounds like it should be analogous to bimap
2025-11-29 13:38:59 +0100 <mreh> :t bimap
2025-11-29 13:39:00 +0100 <lambdabot> Bifunctor p => (a -> b) -> (c -> d) -> p a c -> p b d
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2025-11-29 13:41:45 +0100 <[exa]> mreh: hoogle is many https://hoogle.mangoiv.com/?q=Swapped
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2025-11-29 13:45:20 +0100 <mreh> :t traverseOf _1
2025-11-29 13:45:21 +0100 <lambdabot> (Field1 s t a b, Functor f) => (a -> f b) -> s -> f t
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2025-11-29 13:46:18 +0100 <mreh> > traverseOf _1 (Right . (+1)) (1, 'a')
2025-11-29 13:46:20 +0100 <lambdabot> Right (2,'a')
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2025-11-29 13:47:36 +0100 <[exa]> yeah lenses might be useful
2025-11-29 13:48:05 +0100 <mreh> [exa]: local Hoogle + Hackage would be so useful for offline, I seem to remember some tooling around that
2025-11-29 13:48:16 +0100simplystuart(~simplystu@c-75-75-152-164.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-11-29 13:48:32 +0100 <[exa]> I've got that in my todolist for years
2025-11-29 13:48:56 +0100 <[exa]> it's supposed to "just work" yet never really cared because there's some hoogle online almost any time
2025-11-29 13:49:02 +0100yin(~zero@user/zero) zero
2025-11-29 13:51:52 +0100 <mreh> if I had to travel, I might consider it
2025-11-29 13:52:03 +0100 <mreh> but then there's internet almost everywhere now
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2025-11-29 13:57:49 +0100 <Leary> Local hoogle is snappier, since it doesn't have to query some webserver on every single keypress. It's also quite trivial to set up on NixOS, not sure about other systems.
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2025-11-29 14:49:30 +0100 <__monty__> Nix makes local Hoogle as trivial as setting withHoogle to true.
2025-11-29 14:56:58 +0100 <dutchie> seems like I have to dick around with firefox localfilelinks permissions though :/
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2025-11-29 14:59:16 +0100 <Clint> on debian, apt install hoogle
2025-11-29 15:00:30 +0100 <dutchie> the issue seems to be that nix-installed `hoogle serve` (via withHoogle) links to something like file:///nix/store/v3x1jakad8zvajivhn728wwflq4invfz-ghc-9.12.2-doc/share/doc/ghc/html/libraries/bytestring-0.12.2.0-b89d/Data-ByteString.html
2025-11-29 15:00:42 +0100 <dutchie> but firefox doesn't allow file:// links from http origins
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2025-11-29 15:03:45 +0100 <__monty__> Clint: Does it index packages installed through apt or are you responsible for running the indexing and such? That's the part that Nix makes more convenient.
2025-11-29 15:04:42 +0100 <[exa]> ok I guess it's time to try now
2025-11-29 15:04:43 +0100 <[exa]> :D
2025-11-29 15:04:52 +0100 <dutchie> https://kb.mozillazine.org/Links_to_local_pages_do_not_work seems to do the trick
2025-11-29 15:08:41 +0100weary-traveler(~user@user/user363627) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-11-29 15:09:17 +0100 <[exa]> dutchie: turns out hoogle --local option enables the file:// links
2025-11-29 15:09:31 +0100 <[exa]> no obvious way to force-disable it tho but you might find what triggers it
2025-11-29 15:10:27 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-11-29 15:12:00 +0100 <dutchie> ah that does the trick, rewriting file:// to some http://localhost:8080/file/ proxy thing
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2025-11-29 15:16:20 +0100 <[exa]> anyway now that I have `hoogle serve` running, is there some easy way to point it to local database or so?
2025-11-29 15:19:48 +0100 <[exa]> oh well https://magnus.therning.org/2024-07-13-hoogle-setup-for-local-development.html
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