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| 2026-04-06 07:12:44 +0000 | <gentauro> | monochrom: «Maybe after AI hype, only rich people still know how to think? >:)» DING DING DING, and we have a winner ;) |
| 2026-04-06 07:14:02 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-06 07:14:32 +0000 | <gentauro> | if you HAVE to use these "parrots", opt for the ones that are "local first" (no leaking of IP nor private data) such as https://prismml.com/ and https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmarkman/2026/04/02/prismml-introduces-the-first-commercially-viabl… |
| 2026-04-06 07:16:48 +0000 | gentauro | and ensure to use "agentic" tools that don't leak as well https://infosec.exchange/@k3ym0/116161635202253362 |
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| 2026-04-06 07:56:51 +0000 | chromoblob | (~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) chromoblob\0 |
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| 2026-04-06 07:57:41 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> thanks for the links |
| 2026-04-06 07:58:11 +0000 | Pozyomka | (~pyon@user/pyon) pyon |
| 2026-04-06 07:58:31 +0000 | <gentauro> | sm: u welcome :) |
| 2026-04-06 07:58:31 +0000 | rainbyte | (~rainbyte@181.47.219.3) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2026-04-06 07:59:15 +0000 | <gentauro> | The PrismML peeps (CalTech prof + PhD's in Mathematics) seem like "the real deal" :o |
| 2026-04-06 08:00:10 +0000 | rainbyte | (~rainbyte@181.47.219.3) rainbyte |
| 2026-04-06 08:00:12 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> sounds impressive |
| 2026-04-06 08:00:52 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> do you think that fingerprinting toot applies to non-browser tools (claude code etc) ? |
| 2026-04-06 08:02:06 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2026-04-06 08:02:16 +0000 | <gentauro> | sm: yeah, they are the worst. Until recently, we had no clue what's was going on behind the scenes with claude |
| 2026-04-06 08:03:00 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I should look check what Little Snitch is allowing from it |
| 2026-04-06 08:03:25 +0000 | <gentauro> | I guess with opencode and codex, you can at least see the source code. However, as soon as you add "skills" you are doomed |
| 2026-04-06 08:03:58 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> why's that ? Aren't skills just lazily-loaded custom prompts you define ? |
| 2026-04-06 08:06:00 +0000 | olivial | (~benjaminl@user/benjaminl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2026-04-06 08:06:04 +0000 | <gentauro> | sm: yes, but they are dynamic (hello malware). I can highly recommend watching this talk from Mike Perry (the "TOR dude") from 39c3 (I was lucky to see it live in Hamborg): https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-a-quick-stop-at-the-hostileshop |
| 2026-04-06 08:06:38 +0000 | gentauro | tl;dw he just shows how he can bypass OpenAI restricting policies by using diff text encodings. And there is nothing they can do about now, nor in the future |
| 2026-04-06 08:12:11 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> TIL about https://mistral.ai (french LLM, much less commercial surveillance) |
| 2026-04-06 08:12:49 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-06 08:13:19 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> ah, hello there merijn |
| 2026-04-06 08:15:24 +0000 | <gentauro> | Mistral? Is that the new startup from Yann Lecunn? |
| 2026-04-06 08:15:51 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral_AI |
| 2026-04-06 08:16:39 +0000 | olivial | (~benjaminl@user/benjaminl) benjaminl |
| 2026-04-06 08:17:23 +0000 | <gentauro> | sm: jaiks, the "investors" :| |
| 2026-04-06 08:17:34 +0000 | <gentauro> | why is the EU always sleeping? |
| 2026-04-06 08:18:15 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> they're tired from partying all night |
| 2026-04-06 08:18:17 +0000 | wickedjargon | (~user@2605:8d80:5430:634b:398a:72e0:e553:68f6) |
| 2026-04-06 08:19:21 +0000 | <gentauro> | sm: this is me partying all night https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Chat_(AI) <- "Excuse mua. Can you please serve me another le beer?" (I'm very good at french around 01:00 - 03:00 AM) |
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| 2026-04-06 09:28:23 +0000 | <TMA> | gentauro: I attribute some of the EU sleepiness to the finality of failure. If you start a business in EU and fail, you are forever a "bancrotee". It is not a "business experience" but "business ineptitude". And then there is the chance that the state will just nationalize your business. |
| 2026-04-06 09:29:53 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-06 09:31:07 +0000 | synchromesh | (~john@2406:5a00:2412:2c00:75ab:7cb0:db12:1e18) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2026-04-06 09:32:19 +0000 | synchromesh | (~john@2406:5a00:2412:2c00:75ab:7cb0:db12:1e18) synchromesh |
| 2026-04-06 09:33:11 +0000 | <TMA> | if Donald Trump was an European, he would never recover from his first bankruptcy. Having six of them and still be considered successful by some is inconceivable |
| 2026-04-06 09:33:25 +0000 | <gentauro> | TMA: where do you live in the EU? At least in Denmark, they try as much as possible to "get rid" of public institutions (privatization). However, from time to time, when a (needed) business go wacko, they just "buy it back" (it's us who pay taxes that do it) -> https://fm.dk/nyheder/nyhedsarkiv/2025/september/statens-koeb-af-koebenhavns-lufthavne-as-er-nu-ge… (run through Google Translate) |
| 2026-04-06 09:33:48 +0000 | gentauro | I mean, CPH can NOT live without an international airport, so I guess it's okay'ish |
| 2026-04-06 09:35:25 +0000 | <gentauro> | TMA: that is not correct. If you create a business, and you don't put up money to either create limited liability or joint stock companies, you are somehow asking for it yourself |
| 2026-04-06 09:35:25 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2026-04-06 09:35:51 +0000 | gentauro | with those companies, you are only liable for the amount of capital you inyected into them |
| 2026-04-06 09:36:16 +0000 | <gentauro> | maybe this is a topic for #haskell-offtop? |
| 2026-04-06 09:38:24 +0000 | <TMA> | gentauro: of course, you protect your other assets. But the effect I speak of is social. If "your" company went under, noone would do business with any company you are associated with, because of the stigma your person carries. And yes, it is an offtopic stuff. I'll STFU. |
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| 2026-04-06 09:43:18 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-06 09:46:01 +0000 | <gentauro> | TMA: fair point. I don't think you should stop writing. I normally get called out myself with the off-topic when it's not Haskell related ;) (it's just informative) |