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| 2024-06-25 02:09:46 +0200 | <Axman6> | I feel like I need to read the output of :help in ghci more often, there's so many things in there I forget exist. I didn't know :show had so many different things it could display! |
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| 2024-06-25 03:43:50 +0200 | andrewboltachev | (~andrey@178.141.121.180) |
| 2024-06-25 03:44:48 +0200 | <andrewboltachev> | Hi. Could one make cata (cataM in my case https://github.com/andrewboltachev/matcher/blob/match_let/src/Logicore/Matcher/Core.hs#L1468 ) to first "visit" parent nodes then leafs, so that StateT could have worked correctly? |
| 2024-06-25 03:53:03 +0200 | danse-nr3 | (~danse-nr3@151.37.245.96) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2024-06-25 04:05:36 +0200 | <monochrom> | I was thinking of asking "where can I read the definition of cataM" but realistically I will not read it anyway so I won't actually ask that. What I can say though is when I wrote my own expression ADT and traversers, I wrote both a parent-before-child one and a child-before-parent one, precisely because both are necessary. |
| 2024-06-25 04:05:53 +0200 | <c_wraith> | monochrom: it's around line 120 of that file |
| 2024-06-25 04:09:36 +0200 | <andrewboltachev> | In fact original definition is here: https://github.com/recursion-schemes/recursion-schemes/issues/3#issuecomment-377856187 |
| 2024-06-25 04:10:11 +0200 | <monochrom> | I don't use recursion-schemes. |
| 2024-06-25 04:10:32 +0200 | <monochrom> | I use neither recursion-schemes nor the other one that provides Control.Monad.Loop |
| 2024-06-25 04:11:20 +0200 | <andrewboltachev> | ah, that imperative-like stuff |
| 2024-06-25 04:11:26 +0200 | <andrewboltachev> | also forM_ etc |
| 2024-06-25 04:11:50 +0200 | <andrewboltachev> | that's what ChatGPT (ollama code) generated me when I asked for some Haskell |
| 2024-06-25 04:12:16 +0200 | <monochrom> | I use forM_. That is not contrived at all. |
| 2024-06-25 04:12:28 +0200 | <andrewboltachev> | monochrom: do you find recursion-schemes limiting? |
| 2024-06-25 04:12:30 +0200 | <c_wraith> | It seems like cataA is easier to use than cataM anyway. |
| 2024-06-25 04:12:57 +0200 | <c_wraith> | But more importantly, since it gives you effect blobs individually, you can order them however you want |
| 2024-06-25 04:13:23 +0200 | <andrewboltachev> | c_wraith: I have hard time extracting the value from cataA's argument, like: MatchResultF (MatchStatusT (KeyMap Value) m1 Value) -> MatchResultF Value |
| 2024-06-25 04:13:25 +0200 | <monochrom> | No, the opposite, too many things I don't need. I need at most cata and ana. Not worth bringing in the whole package. |
| 2024-06-25 04:13:49 +0200 | ubert | (~Thunderbi@p200300ecdf49174f0b4465dc752c7466.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2024-06-25 04:14:07 +0200 | <andrewboltachev> | c_wraith: yes I believe so. but how is it easier? |
| 2024-06-25 04:14:36 +0200 | <monochrom> | I can confess that when I learned free monads, first thing I did was to write the catamorphism of the Free type. That still doesn't mean I should care about recursion-schemes. |
| 2024-06-25 04:15:02 +0200 | <andrewboltachev> | ah. I understand Cofree Comonad, but not a free monad still :/ |
| 2024-06-25 04:16:23 +0200 | <monochrom> | And I have needed anamorphisms so sparingly, the only one I have ever used is [a]'s unfoldr. (But it's very pleasant when I need it.) |
| 2024-06-25 04:16:45 +0200 | <c_wraith> | you think unfoldr is "very pleasant"? |
| 2024-06-25 04:17:00 +0200 | <monochrom> | Yes. |
| 2024-06-25 04:17:15 +0200 | <c_wraith> | Maybe (a, b) has about the worst possible ergonomics for what it does |
| 2024-06-25 04:17:21 +0200 | <monochrom> | Or rather, yes under the conditions of my use cases. |
| 2024-06-25 04:17:41 +0200 | <c_wraith> | bizarrely, it also has performance problems I can't understand when it doesn't fully fuse away |
| 2024-06-25 04:18:30 +0200 | <andrewboltachev> | I've recently had a simple line like acc <- acc', which was a duplicate of another one. Then amount of calculation grown exponentially |
| 2024-06-25 04:18:33 +0200 | ubert | (~Thunderbi@p200300ecdf32ea35d7e32474cc4feedf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2024-06-25 04:19:07 +0200 | <monochrom> | This thread contains both your view and the opposite view: https://discourse.haskell.org/t/equivalence-of-unfoldr-and-unfold/9657 |
| 2024-06-25 04:20:42 +0200 | <c_wraith> | Ugh, no. Not unfold type either. That's an *incredibly* verbose way of avoiding Church encoding. I'd much rather just do the Church encoding. |
| 2024-06-25 04:20:51 +0200 | <monochrom> | Oh yeah I tease my students with "why is this exp-time? f(n) = f(n-1) + f(n-1)" |
| 2024-06-25 04:24:16 +0200 | <monochrom> | What is the ergonomic version you have in mind? |
| 2024-06-25 04:24:38 +0200 | <c_wraith> | Church encode it. (forall r. (a -> b -> r) -> r -> b -> r) -> b -> [a] |
| 2024-06-25 04:28:10 +0200 | xff0x | (~xff0x@2405:6580:b080:900:dc9b:52bd:4c0c:b888) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2024-06-25 04:30:03 +0200 | <andrewboltachev> | UPD: solved my issue with using paraM :/ (to modify as little code as I can): https://github.com/andrewboltachev/matcher/blob/match_let/src/Logicore/Matcher/Core.hs#L1468 |
| 2024-06-25 04:30:26 +0200 | <andrewboltachev> | this also allowed to change the order of effects |
| 2024-06-25 04:38:32 +0200 | henry40408 | (~henry4040@175.182.111.183) (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)) |
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| 2024-06-25 04:41:18 +0200 | edrx | (~Eduardo@170-233-51-85.static.sumicity.net.br) |
| 2024-06-25 04:43:57 +0200 | <edrx> | hi all! is there a way to make ghci print the types with the foralls? |
| 2024-06-25 04:44:00 +0200 | <edrx> | for example: |
| 2024-06-25 04:44:01 +0200 | <edrx> | ghci> :t \ (a,b) -> a |
| 2024-06-25 04:44:02 +0200 | <edrx> | \ (a,b) -> a :: (a, b) -> a |
| 2024-06-25 04:44:29 +0200 | <edrx> | I'm looking for something like |
| 2024-06-25 04:44:30 +0200 | terrorjack | (~terrorjac@2a01:4f8:c17:87f8::) (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat) |
| 2024-06-25 04:44:41 +0200 | <geekosaur> | :set -print-explicit-foralls |
| 2024-06-25 04:44:44 +0200 | <edrx> | \ (a,b) -> a :: Forall a b. (a, b) -> a |
| 2024-06-25 04:45:22 +0200 | <edrx> | ghci> :set -print-explicit-foralls |
| 2024-06-25 04:45:22 +0200 | <edrx> | Some flags have not been recognized: -print-explicit-foralls |
| 2024-06-25 04:45:32 +0200 | <geekosaur> | sorry, just noticed I typoed that |
| 2024-06-25 04:45:35 +0200 | <geekosaur> | :set -fprint-explicit-foralls |
| 2024-06-25 04:46:01 +0200 | <edrx> | fantastic! thanks =) |
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| 2024-06-25 07:12:59 +0200 | <danse-nr3> | huh looks like the foundation has bought serokell's certifications |
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| 2024-06-25 07:15:51 +0200 | ubert1 | ubert |
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| 2024-06-25 08:00:31 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> Bought? |
| 2024-06-25 08:00:50 +0200 | euleritian | (~euleritia@dynamic-176-007-195-192.176.7.pool.telefonica.de) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2024-06-25 08:05:42 +0200 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-06-25 08:06:13 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Huh? I used to be employed by serokell so im curious |
| 2024-06-25 08:06:25 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> It was donated |
| 2024-06-25 08:07:08 +0200 | MrFox | (~MrFox___@89-201-184-155.dsl.optinet.hr) |
| 2024-06-25 08:07:27 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Oh cool |
| 2024-06-25 08:17:14 +0200 | generalbigm | (~generalbi@2001:250:3c0f:2000::e751) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
| 2024-06-25 08:18:53 +0200 | acidjnk_new3 | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e714dc90fd0a56c96235233a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2024-06-25 08:25:50 +0200 | danse-nr3 | (~danse-nr3@151.37.247.173) |
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| 2024-06-25 08:28:31 +0200 | <danse-nr3> | did not mean "bought" just as in a financial transaction. Also bought the idea |
| 2024-06-25 08:30:03 +0200 | bitdex | (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) |