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| 2024-06-22 00:14:04 +0200 | tabemann_ | (~tabemann@2600:1700:7990:24e0:2412:852b:477a:286f) |
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| 2024-06-22 00:54:49 +0200 | phma | (~phma@host-67-44-208-58.hnremote.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
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| 2024-06-22 00:59:23 +0200 | <monochrom> | Belated re: functor kaleidoscopes: Why would people prefer a broken analogy that takes half an hour to rationalize to just reading the definition that takes only five minutes? (OK rhetorical question. Answer: Not-Invented-Here.) |
| 2024-06-22 01:02:18 +0200 | <monochrom> | The more constructive thing I can say is that I learned free monads by trying it on a few functors and playing with them to get the hang of what happens. |
| 2024-06-22 01:02:30 +0200 | gmg | (~user@user/gehmehgeh) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2024-06-22 01:03:01 +0200 | <monochrom> | One day I am adding "Learn by Playing" to one of my pedagogical slogans / statements of position. |
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| 2024-06-22 01:20:03 +0200 | <ajr0d> | Hi all, new to Haskell. I'm trying to run a web server via Scotty. I've made a paste here, but formatting is gross and forgot to delete the top line m/b. https://paste.tomsmeding.com/eMeqZIb0 |
| 2024-06-22 01:21:00 +0200 | tzh | (~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
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| 2024-06-22 01:26:48 +0200 | <cheater> | cool! enjoy it |
| 2024-06-22 01:28:26 +0200 | <ajr0d> | sorry, i should of made the point that i'm getting failures, yet i'm not sure what's causing them exactly. i have added most context in that paste. |
| 2024-06-22 01:32:58 +0200 | <cheater> | so this is just the stack |
| 2024-06-22 01:33:12 +0200 | <cheater> | it's basically a wrapper around the software actually providing value, which is cabal |
| 2024-06-22 01:33:15 +0200 | <cheater> | you want the cabal error |
| 2024-06-22 01:33:20 +0200 | <cheater> | the last line tells you how to get it |
| 2024-06-22 01:33:22 +0200 | <cheater> | look in there |
| 2024-06-22 01:34:33 +0200 | philopsos1 | (~caecilius@user/philopsos) |
| 2024-06-22 01:36:24 +0200 | <ajr0d> | the last line of my error output tells me how to get the cabal error, which i want? i'm confused |
| 2024-06-22 01:39:27 +0200 | <cheater> | Process exited with code: ExitFailure 1 |
| 2024-06-22 01:39:27 +0200 | <cheater> | ```` |
| 2024-06-22 01:39:33 +0200 | <cheater> | no |
| 2024-06-22 01:39:47 +0200 | <cheater> | here /Users/ajl/.stack/setup-exe-cache/aarch64-osx/Cabal-simple_6HauvNHV_3.10.3.0_ghc-9.6.5 --verbose=1 --builddir=.stack-work/dist/aarch64-osx/ghc-9.6.5 build lib:combatcalendar exe:combatcalendar-exe --ghc-options " -fdiagnostics-color=always" |
| 2024-06-22 01:41:23 +0200 | philopsos1 | (~caecilius@user/philopsos) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-06-22 01:42:28 +0200 | <cheater> | sorry a line is missing telling you to actually look at this thing |
| 2024-06-22 01:42:30 +0200 | <cheater> | ANYWAYS |
| 2024-06-22 01:42:37 +0200 | <cheater> | just look at what the last 4 lines of your paste say |
| 2024-06-22 01:42:43 +0200 | <cheater> | they instruct you how to get the *actual* log |
| 2024-06-22 01:42:56 +0200 | <cheater> | stop using stack, it's garbage and gets in the way |
| 2024-06-22 01:42:59 +0200 | <cheater> | it's like rails |
| 2024-06-22 01:43:14 +0200 | <ajr0d> | what should i use instead? |
| 2024-06-22 01:43:24 +0200 | <cheater> | cabal |
| 2024-06-22 01:51:26 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I'm not a stack proponent, but the actual error was clearly there in the original paste |
| 2024-06-22 01:51:56 +0200 | <ajr0d> | Yeah using the cabal command it just gave me the similar output. |
| 2024-06-22 01:52:05 +0200 | <geekosaur> | lines 89-97 |
| 2024-06-22 01:52:06 +0200 | <ajr0d> | i'm assuming i'm misisng an import statement of some sort |
| 2024-06-22 01:55:11 +0200 | <geekosaur> | no, it's there since 0.21. what's your stack.yaml look like? |
| 2024-06-22 01:55:30 +0200 | <cheater> | oh yeah, it was |
| 2024-06-22 01:55:38 +0200 | <cheater> | i'm on a small screen, i literally only saw the last bit lol |
| 2024-06-22 01:55:46 +0200 | <ajr0d> | i've made no changes to it, geekosaur. i'll add it to a paste for you one sec. |
| 2024-06-22 01:55:57 +0200 | <ajr0d> | https://paste.tomsmeding.com/OK5UrgAV |
| 2024-06-22 01:57:55 +0200 | [exa] | (~exa@user/exa/x-3587197) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
| 2024-06-22 01:57:59 +0200 | <geekosaur> | that resolver has scotty 0.20.1, you need at least 0.21 to have pathParam |
| 2024-06-22 01:58:27 +0200 | <geekosaur> | you have to use param instead of pathParam |
| 2024-06-22 01:58:50 +0200 | <ajr0d> | oops. is it easy to update? |
| 2024-06-22 01:58:57 +0200 | <geekosaur> | no |
| 2024-06-22 01:59:06 +0200 | <cheater> | yeah.. use cabal |
| 2024-06-22 01:59:13 +0200 | <geekosaur> | looks like there's no LTS with a later scotty; you'd need to use an extra-dep |
| 2024-06-22 01:59:18 +0200 | tzh | (~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2024-06-22 01:59:32 +0200 | <ajr0d> | okay i'll use cabal lol |
| 2024-06-22 01:59:46 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (aside from nightly, which is "experts only" territory) |
| 2024-06-22 01:59:49 +0200 | <cheater> | rare W |
| 2024-06-22 02:00:21 +0200 | <geekosaur> | actually the example for 0.20.1 says captureParam, not pathParam |
| 2024-06-22 02:01:38 +0200 | talismanick | (~user@2601:644:937c:ed10::ae5) |
| 2024-06-22 02:02:02 +0200 | <yushyin> | wouldn't be wrong to just use 0.20.1 and captureParam if you don't want to worry about cabal or extra-dep for now |
| 2024-06-22 02:02:25 +0200 | <geekosaur> | ^ |
| 2024-06-22 02:03:26 +0200 | <cheater> | yup |
| 2024-06-22 02:04:47 +0200 | <geekosaur> | if you're using stack, you generally don't want to go to hackage unless you're looking for an extra-dep. you want to go to stackage.org and look up the specific resolver you're using, so you get the versions of packages in that resolver |
| 2024-06-22 02:06:56 +0200 | <ajr0d> | ty everyone! i got it working and localhost:3000 works |
| 2024-06-22 02:07:04 +0200 | euleritian | (~euleritia@dynamic-176-007-158-013.176.7.pool.telefonica.de) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
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| 2024-06-22 03:38:54 +0200 | yin | (~yin@user/zero) |
| 2024-06-22 03:42:58 +0200 | CrunchyFlakes | (~CrunchyFl@ip92348280.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
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| 2024-06-22 03:44:25 +0200 | caconym | (~caconym@user/caconym) |
| 2024-06-22 03:44:56 +0200 | CrunchyFlakes | (~CrunchyFl@ip92348280.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 2024-06-22 03:46:23 +0200 | madhavanmiui | (~madhavanm@2409:40f4:204c:9413:8000::) |
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| 2024-06-22 03:49:18 +0200 | <cheater> | nice |
| 2024-06-22 03:49:23 +0200 | <cheater> | oh he left |
| 2024-06-22 03:49:26 +0200 | <cheater> | :( |
| 2024-06-22 03:50:02 +0200 | <cheater> | wtf is a "combat calendar" anyways |
| 2024-06-22 03:50:24 +0200 | <cheater> | EVERYTHING you need & want in one place for BOXING & MMA FIGHT Information! ♂️ Fight Cards, Fight Times, Where To Watch & More! #thecombatcalendar. |
| 2024-06-22 03:50:24 +0200 | <geekosaur> | sounds SCAish to me… |
| 2024-06-22 03:50:32 +0200 | <cheater> | what's SCA? |
| 2024-06-22 03:50:41 +0200 | <geekosaur> | society for creative anachronism |
| 2024-06-22 03:50:51 +0200 | <cheater> | oh larpers |
| 2024-06-22 03:51:08 +0200 | <cheater> | https://www.facebook.com › nzcombatcalendar |
| 2024-06-22 03:51:08 +0200 | <cheater> | The Combat Calendar is a central place that plans and describes the things we all love to do. It also shows what is going on in your area! |
| 2024-06-22 03:51:14 +0200 | <cheater> | what do you know |
| 2024-06-22 03:51:29 +0200 | <cheater> | so it's either that or pugilism. |
| 2024-06-22 03:51:39 +0200 | <cheater> | good to know haskell is being used where it matters |
| 2024-06-22 03:54:26 +0200 | <geekosaur> | if it matters to them, then it matters |
| 2024-06-22 03:54:39 +0200 | <geekosaur> | you'd prefer it be used for actual warfare? |
| 2024-06-22 03:54:47 +0200 | <cheater> | we have that already |
| 2024-06-22 03:55:38 +0200 | <cheater> | some of the most prominent haskell companies sponsor genocide in the strip, so |
| 2024-06-22 03:57:32 +0200 | <cheater> | oops sorry i guess the PC term for that is "getting a tax break" |
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| 2024-06-22 09:30:57 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> cheater that's a ton of stack bashing when all that was needed was to specify the version of scotty required |
| 2024-06-22 09:32:29 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> * lot |
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| 2024-06-22 10:56:23 +0200 | <mreh> | does stack run some kind of daemon process?? I just rebooted, edited a package.yaml file and the generated .cabal file was updated. |
| 2024-06-22 10:56:46 +0200 | <mreh> | Could HLS do that? |
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| 2024-06-22 11:14:35 +0200 | <jackdk> | Honestly, I don't bother with hpack (package.yaml). It seems like an additional moving part for dubious benefit, given how much modern cabal has improved |
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| 2024-06-22 11:15:08 +0200 | <mreh> | jackdk: seems to be the way now |
| 2024-06-22 11:15:10 +0200 | <jackdk> | I think stack does co-ordinate running hpack or not, and probably is smart enough to do so in its file-watch mode |
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| 2024-06-22 11:21:53 +0200 | <lyxia> | it |
| 2024-06-22 11:22:32 +0200 | <lyxia> | it's just the default template in stack new, it's easy to just remove it (from the template or from individual projects manually) |
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| 2024-06-22 11:47:06 +0200 | <morpho> | the only programming languages I know well are C and shell. Would haskell be a good second language? I need to be write a SSR web app and im not doing it in C hahah. |
| 2024-06-22 11:48:13 +0200 | CiaoSen | (~Jura@2a05:5800:29e:3c00:e6b9:7aff:fe80:3d03) |
| 2024-06-22 11:52:17 +0200 | <Rembane> | morpho: What's SSR? |
| 2024-06-22 11:52:39 +0200 | <jackdk> | What do you mean by "need" and "SSR"? If you have short deadlines and need to interop with standard frontend stuff, you might struggle because there's going to be a lot to learn. If you want to really expand your perspective on programming and learn a great general-purpose language, then Haskell is great for that. But the paradigm shift can be hard for some people. |
| 2024-06-22 11:53:00 +0200 | CiaoSen | (~Jura@2a05:5800:29e:3c00:e6b9:7aff:fe80:3d03) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
| 2024-06-22 11:53:13 +0200 | <Rembane> | What jackdk said + don't be in a hurry |
| 2024-06-22 11:53:50 +0200 | <morpho> | server side rendering, so using templates to generate html to return |
| 2024-06-22 11:54:39 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <maralorn> People say that learning Haskell after C might be harder then learning it without programming experience. I don't know if that's really true though. |
| 2024-06-22 11:55:23 +0200 | <jackdk> | If you're just generating pages and forms with a bit of interactivity, that's pretty doable. Some people use "SSR" to mean "pre-rendering some of their HTML with the same JS that drives an SPA". I think the most recent wave of interest in Haskell-flavoured webdev is to touch the JS world as little as possible using a library like HTMX |
| 2024-06-22 11:56:21 +0200 | <morpho> | I need a paradigm shift. I loved C because it relates so much to how a computer actually works. I do a lot of graphics stuff where It makes sense to have that attention to memory management |
| 2024-06-22 11:56:27 +0200 | <jackdk> | The "servant" family of libraries is fantastic for building type-safe APIs, but see what I said earlier about it being at the end of a long journey (it uses some fairly advanced features). |
| 2024-06-22 11:56:44 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <maralorn> I'd agree that Haskell is a very good tool for that job. |
| 2024-06-22 11:57:09 +0200 | <jackdk> | There's a chance that the IHP project might be all right to start with (it's trying to provide rails-ish integrated webdev for Haskell), but I haven't played with it very much and haven't seen how new Haskellers take to it. |
| 2024-06-22 11:57:17 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <maralorn> And I think it's a nice kind of project to get started with Haskell. |
| 2024-06-22 11:57:50 +0200 | <jackdk> | Also, it was once said that "LISP is worth learning for a different reason — the profound enlightenment experience you will have when you finally get it. That experience will make you a better programmer for the rest of your days, even if you never actually use LISP itself a lot." I believe this is also true for Haskell |
| 2024-06-22 11:58:01 +0200 | <morpho> | jackdk: htmx is interesting. I have messed around with it in golang |
| 2024-06-22 11:58:12 +0200 | <Rembane> | morpho: Are you going to talk to a database? |
| 2024-06-22 11:58:24 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <maralorn> But you will probably need longer for liftoff than e.g. with python. |
| 2024-06-22 11:59:17 +0200 | <jackdk> | Which brings me back to "what do you mean by 'need'?" — I think text-mode games are a great place to start when learning languages, unless they're specifically web-focused. |
| 2024-06-22 11:59:56 +0200 | <morpho> | how is haskell for prototyping? I understand the learning curve is steeper but if I can deliver a working prototype faster that is the main thing that I sturggle with using C, no matter how proficient i become in it |
| 2024-06-22 12:00:06 +0200 | <jackdk> | Because they can grow smoothly alongside the learner's knowledge and you don't have to deal with databases and other complex bits until you're ready. Sometimes starting a web project involves learning to see the elephant from all angles, so to speak |
| 2024-06-22 12:00:18 +0200 | euleritian | (~euleritia@dynamic-176-005-128-104.176.5.pool.telefonica.de) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2024-06-22 12:01:27 +0200 | <morpho> | most of my programming projects are with Vulkan, like 3D graphics stuff, so maybe rewriting some of that stuff may be a good way to learn haskell? |
| 2024-06-22 12:01:34 +0200 | <sprout> | morpho: it all depends. semi-proficient functional programmers will throw together prototypes in no time, but your problem will be to become a semi-proficient functional programmer first |
| 2024-06-22 12:01:59 +0200 | <sprout> | I really don't know how hard that is, or is for you |
| 2024-06-22 12:02:23 +0200 | <jackdk> | Prototyping: depends on how well you know it, but I find it a great tool to sketch thoughts and refine them towards programs. I saw a conference talk years ago from a guy who wrote signal processing filters in Haskell for marine radars. Once he was happy with their results, he ported them to C++ and used a property-testing library like QuickCheck to ensure that they behaved the same as each other. |
| 2024-06-22 12:02:48 +0200 | <morpho> | jackdk: that is interesting! |
| 2024-06-22 12:03:17 +0200 | <morpho> | I was going to use filesystem as database, like text files. |
| 2024-06-22 12:03:22 +0200 | <jackdk> | As for Vulkan/3D, I haven't checked what libraries are available but someone made and sold a 2d-hack-n-slash on steam written in Haskell: https://github.com/incoherentsoftware/defect-process |
| 2024-06-22 12:03:37 +0200 | <jackdk> | A filesystem is a pretty good DB when you're starting out |
| 2024-06-22 12:04:20 +0200 | <morpho> | well parsing text files is haskells strong points no? |
| 2024-06-22 12:04:29 +0200 | <jackdk> | Also #haskell-game exists, though I expect many of its members are in here too. But maybe you can get some Vulkan-specific help if you need there? |
| 2024-06-22 12:04:39 +0200 | <morpho> | thanks everyone! |
| 2024-06-22 12:04:40 +0200 | <jackdk> | Yeah it's a lovely language for parsing data |
| 2024-06-22 12:06:56 +0200 | <morpho> | and I find myself now writing programs or macros to generate C for me, so I was quite interested in lisp for its ability to easily mutate or write itself. I don't know what the proper term for this pattern is. |
| 2024-06-22 12:07:37 +0200 | <jackdk> | "metaprogramming", I think - programs that write programs. |
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| 2024-06-22 12:09:39 +0200 | <morpho> | thankyou for your insights! |
| 2024-06-22 12:12:04 +0200 | <morpho> | sounds like haskell will be the breath of fresh air I needed. Its embarassing I only know C after 8 years of programming. I can now think in blinkenlights |
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