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2024-05-29 02:26:20 +0200 <haskellbridge> <geekosaur> the bridge is finally back up
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2024-05-29 02:27:02 +0200 <haskellbridge> <geekosaur> this is a temporary arrangement, but while I was setting it up I laid the groundwork for transferring the bridge and newly-associated homeserver to haskell.org
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2024-05-29 02:48:37 +0200 <EvanR> \o/
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2024-05-29 03:07:32 +0200 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> Yo
2024-05-29 03:07:44 +0200geekosaurwaves
2024-05-29 03:09:42 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> go geekosaur. Restrained applause because I don't know the impacts of heisenbridge or a haskell home server but it all sounds very interesting
2024-05-29 03:10:17 +0200 <geekosaur> lots of people would like :haskell.org matrix accounts
2024-05-29 03:11:14 +0200 <geekosaur> heisenbridge is because matterbridge shattered after my recent network outage, just endlessly recycled messages weithout marking them read (it has been doing that with IRC as well but kill and restart stopped that)
2024-05-29 03:12:10 +0200connrs(~connrs@user/connrs)
2024-05-29 03:14:09 +0200 <geekosaur> but it's also much smarter: it pastebins large messages, pastebins media (which should now also provide valid URLs), supports edits to some extent, etc.
2024-05-29 03:15:13 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> great! 👍🏻 did you have to set up your own synapse server for this ?
2024-05-29 03:15:18 +0200 <geekosaur> yes
2024-05-29 03:15:47 +0200 <geekosaur> currently it doesn't accept new accounts, since I only want to use it for the bridge
2024-05-29 03:16:21 +0200BigKozlowski(~BigKozlow@194.5.60.133)
2024-05-29 03:16:51 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> very cool
2024-05-29 03:16:52 +0200 <geekosaur> I don't expect that to change until I turn it over (well, redo it; you can't rename a homeserver) to the infrastructure folks
2024-05-29 03:17:50 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> how do you persuade those folks to take on this largish new job ?
2024-05-29 03:18:03 +0200 <geekosaur> actually, sclv offered to do it
2024-05-29 03:18:13 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> sweet
2024-05-29 03:19:02 +0200 <sclv> well i offered a server :-)
2024-05-29 03:19:03 +0200 <geekosaur> I will not be surprised if I end up on the infra team, tasked with keeping it working
2024-05-29 03:19:15 +0200 <geekosaur> which is a large part of why I took the time to learn how to set it up properly
2024-05-29 03:19:42 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> well thanks for your R & D & ops, I hope you'll get some funding then
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2024-05-29 03:21:43 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> sclv: hehe
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2024-05-29 03:23:30 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> having separate nicks on the matrix side now is so much better
2024-05-29 03:23:42 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> * seeing
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2024-05-29 03:55:10 +0200 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> So heisenbridge only needs OPs rights on the IRC side?
2024-05-29 03:59:53 +0200 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> Now the question is... why we have two Haskell matrix channels
2024-05-29 04:00:07 +0200 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> Imo would make sense to fold them into one
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2024-05-29 04:02:39 +0200 <geekosaur> heisenbridge doesn't need ops on irc either
2024-05-29 04:03:05 +0200 <geekosaur> it has voice but that has more to do with the spambot potentially kicking it
2024-05-29 04:03:52 +0200 <geekosaur> as to multiple matrix channels, #haskell:matrix.org users specifically requested that the IRC channel not be bridged there
2024-05-29 04:04:27 +0200 <geekosaur> but there are matrix users who want access to the IRC channel, so now there's a separate room for that
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2024-05-29 04:07:42 +0200 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> geekosaur: Interesting, what was their reasoning?
2024-05-29 04:11:32 +0200BigKozlowski(~BigKozlow@194.5.60.133)
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2024-05-29 04:15:44 +0200 <geekosaur> bridging? it was bridged in the freenode days. they didn't like the extra traffic
2024-05-29 04:16:34 +0200 <glguy> People in the matrix-only channel can be free to use message editing, multi-line pasting, control their own moderation, etc.
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2024-05-29 04:22:50 +0200 <geekosaur> those (aside from moderation) should work reasonably with this bot
2024-05-29 04:23:23 +0200 <glguy> Is the bot going to stay single-user on the IRC side? all the matrix traffic through one nick?
2024-05-29 04:23:34 +0200 <geekosaur> anything longer than 2 lines gets pastebinned, and it at least partially understands edits
2024-05-29 04:23:50 +0200 <geekosaur> heisenbridge doesn't support any other mode for IRC side
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2024-05-29 04:24:05 +0200 <geekosaur> on the matrix side, since it has its own pet homeserver, it can be more flexible
2024-05-29 04:24:10 +0200xff0x(~xff0x@125x103x176x34.ap125.ftth.ucom.ne.jp)
2024-05-29 04:25:26 +0200 <geekosaur> (in particular, it owns all mxids @irc_*:kf8nh.com)
2024-05-29 04:26:03 +0200 <geekosaur> that part can apparently be turned off, but I haven't looked closely into it as yet
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2024-05-29 04:30:52 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> I think a certain proportion of people on both sides of the original bridge got tired of (a) the limitations of the other side being imposed on them and especially (b) the recurring hassles and instability of the bridging. It's probably something that could be polled yearly, things can change
2024-05-29 04:31:09 +0200BigKozlowski(~BigKozlow@194.5.60.133)
2024-05-29 04:31:19 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> more sophisticated and stable bridges means less resistance
2024-05-29 04:32:17 +0200haskellbridgesm is speaking of the big central bridge previously operated by the matrix folk, not geekosaur's previous bridge
2024-05-29 04:33:47 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> I guess we're now on Part III, Return of the Bridge
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2024-05-29 04:51:20 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> Stats from the matrix side: 125 people in Haskell IRC (this bridged room), 2.8K people in Haskell (the pure matrix room)
2024-05-29 04:52:43 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> and from the irc side: 582 people here from irc
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2024-05-29 04:58:38 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> I think at peak Freenode #haskell IRC channel was about 1000 ?
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2024-05-29 05:01:36 +0200 <geekosaur> went over 1500 at one point, iirc
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2024-05-29 06:34:01 +0200 <Axman6> it was often larger than #python
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2024-05-29 06:52:31 +0200 <glguy> Haskell used to be more popular
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2024-05-29 07:08:53 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> do you mean Haskell as a whole ? not sure about that
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2024-05-29 07:17:42 +0200 <haskellbridge> <magic_rb> Id imagine the distribution of discord vs matrix/irc is much more skewed to the matrix/irc side for haskell and the discord side for python
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2024-05-29 10:00:58 +0200 <tomsmeding> the 1500 indeed happened but I suspect a significant percentage of that was idlers :)
2024-05-29 10:02:27 +0200BigKozlowski(~BigKozlow@194.5.60.133)
2024-05-29 10:02:42 +0200 <tomsmeding> geekosaur: how much disk space does the server have? Or does the lack of media use in this channel mean that disk space requirements are modest, for the matrix server
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2024-05-29 10:24:03 +0200 <geekosaur> 2TB
2024-05-29 10:24:18 +0200 <geekosaur> but I'm hoping I don't have to run this for too long
2024-05-29 10:24:27 +0200 <geekosaur> (it's not a server, it's my laptop)
2024-05-29 10:24:29 +0200 <tomsmeding> that's a significant amount of space!
2024-05-29 10:24:43 +0200 <tomsmeding> is this a VPS somewhere or something you have physically?
2024-05-29 10:24:52 +0200BigKozlowski(~BigKozlow@194.5.60.133) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-05-29 10:24:57 +0200 <tomsmeding> renting that amount of disk space becomes relatively expensive
2024-05-29 10:25:10 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> ouch..
2024-05-29 10:26:00 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> is it storing all history of N haskell rooms ?
2024-05-29 10:26:09 +0200 <tomsmeding> that's how matrix works
2024-05-29 10:27:19 +0200 <tomsmeding> but 2TB should be more than enough :p
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2024-05-29 10:36:52 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> seems excessive
2024-05-29 10:37:33 +0200 <tomsmeding> maybe a little; I collected ~40GB over some time of idling in the Conduit (a matrix server) development channel
2024-05-29 10:39:09 +0200 <tomsmeding> (I just realised that I utterly misread geekosaur's response -- it's not a VPS, it's a laptop)
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2024-05-29 10:50:44 +0200 <geekosaur> right, I'm keeping it close, in part because I'm using it to learn stuff I haven't done a lot with before (notably docker and docker compose)
2024-05-29 10:51:02 +0200danse-nr3(~danse-nr3@151.57.241.101)
2024-05-29 10:51:03 +0200 <geekosaur> but I also expect to be refining the config over the next few days
2024-05-29 10:51:42 +0200 <geekosaur> such as bringing up redis and configuring synapse with a background worker
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2024-05-29 10:56:26 +0200 <dminuoso> "Error in $: mzero"
2024-05-29 10:57:14 +0200 <tomsmeding> dminuoso: you need to upgrade your $, you ran out of credits
2024-05-29 10:57:29 +0200 <dminuoso> Yeah Im trying to find out what account number to wire the money to.
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2024-05-29 11:16:29 +0200 <dminuoso> But honestly, diagnostics is not a strong suit of Haskell.
2024-05-29 11:16:39 +0200 <dminuoso> Neither in the compiler, nor in runtime errors.
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2024-05-29 11:38:46 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> I think it's slowly changing
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2024-05-29 11:51:26 +0200 <dminuoso> Perhaps it is one of the larger reasons for the low adoption.
2024-05-29 11:53:15 +0200 <dminuoso> At any rate: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ip-1.7.8/docs/src/Net.IPv4.html#line-1319
2024-05-29 11:53:20 +0200 <dminuoso> Lovely mzero there.
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2024-05-29 11:57:40 +0200 <tomsmeding> the difficulty of getting a proper callstack, even if you write an explicit `error` call, is a contributor
2024-05-29 11:58:37 +0200kuribas(~user@ip-188-118-57-242.reverse.destiny.be)
2024-05-29 11:59:06 +0200 <tomsmeding> even if you compile with profiling and use -xc the callstacks are still sometimes fairly useless, and on top of that you get lots of callstacks you didn't want
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2024-05-29 12:03:35 +0200 <dminuoso> It's so surprising that even IO exceptions do not have stacktraces.