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| 2026-05-15 05:50:33 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2026-05-15 05:45:41 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-05-15 05:43:15 +0000 | biberu | (~biberu@user/biberu) biberu |
| 2026-05-15 05:40:55 +0000 | <jreicher> | Makes sense. Reminds of a talk (which I can dig up) where the presenter showed what it look like to do a particular kind of code with and without delimited continuations. It was absolutely possible without, but much easier for a human with. |
| 2026-05-15 05:37:55 +0000 | <monochrom> | Sure. |
| 2026-05-15 05:34:57 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2026-05-15 05:27:39 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-05-15 05:25:57 +0000 | GdeVolpiano | (~GdeVolpia@user/GdeVolpiano) GdeVolpiano |
| 2026-05-15 05:25:23 +0000 | <jreicher> | monochrom: So you're saying we can understand a continuation as a message, and the function that accepts it as an object? |
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| 2026-05-15 05:11:51 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2026-05-15 04:56:04 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-05-15 04:55:11 +0000 | <monochrom> | This holds for all algebraic effects. All of them could have been free monads implemented as algebraic data types. People use delimited continuations for speed only; it's just a code optimization. There is no mathematical difference apart from performance. |
| 2026-05-15 04:49:29 +0000 | <monochrom> | An example of this equivalence is the exception effect. It can be implemented by "3" ways: bi-contiuation passing, stack frames, the Either monad which is an algebraic data type. But then bi-continuation passing is just church encoding of the Either ADT. And pushing stack frames containing function pointers is just passing continuations. |
| 2026-05-15 04:45:08 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2026-05-15 04:40:17 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-05-15 04:37:48 +0000 | <monochrom> | (unless you really insist that "dispatch" must involve function pointers, like average OO people do; then I can compromise with: case-of is defunctionalized dispatch.) |
| 2026-05-15 04:35:50 +0000 | <monochrom> | The data from defunctionalization are of an algebraic data type. The receiver does a case-of and reacts to different cases differently. That's just another way to say "dispatch". |
| 2026-05-15 04:31:29 +0000 | <monochrom> | And then you just have to accept message = data. Same difference. |
| 2026-05-15 04:31:10 +0000 | <monochrom> | Meanwhile, FP people thought up taking CPS code, which requires a language that supports higher-order functions, and performing defunctionalization to convert continuations to data, therefore requiring only first-order functions. So now one doesn't pass around continuations, instead passes around data. |
| 2026-05-15 04:30:21 +0000 | Inline | (~noOne@ipservice-092-208-182-236.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2026-05-15 04:29:49 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2026-05-15 04:27:24 +0000 | <monochrom> | Today people say "call method m() of object o". But that's not the original OO. Original OO said "send message m() to object o". |
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| 2026-05-15 03:34:01 +0000 | <jreicher> | I'm not presupposing or claiming any kind of profundity here. I'm just playing with the ideas to see what I find. But TBH I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "messaging passing" in a pure functional context. Can you explain that, if the question makes sense? |
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