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| 2026-04-09 20:40:02 +0000 | arandombit | (~arandombi@user/arandombit) arandombit |
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| 2026-04-09 20:40:02 +0000 | arandombit | (~arandombi@2a02:2455:8656:7100:5d3a:927c:20e1:5d86) |
| 2026-04-09 20:34:01 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
| 2026-04-09 20:29:19 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-09 20:26:23 +0000 | comonad | (~comonad@2003:d0:2701:9d00:9435:23f:d7f3:6a1f) |
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| 2026-04-09 20:18:26 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2026-04-09 20:13:56 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-09 20:11:10 +0000 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) user363627 |
| 2026-04-09 20:06:27 +0000 | uli-fem | (~uli-fem@115.128.112.118) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2026-04-09 20:05:25 +0000 | <acarrico> | I guess we are off topic. |
| 2026-04-09 20:05:23 +0000 | <monochrom> | Yeah I keep it simple. |
| 2026-04-09 20:05:13 +0000 | <acarrico> | monochrom: make is the way to go, but you gotta keep it simple. Zig added a build system and then suddenly I couldn't program in Zig anymore. |
| 2026-04-09 20:03:44 +0000 | <monochrom> | Once upon a time when that Ant thing for Java just came out, I took a look with high hope. Nope, it's more redundant than makefiles. I went back to makefiles. |
| 2026-04-09 20:02:58 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2026-04-09 20:02:37 +0000 | <monochrom> | The only burning from Make I have got so far is just that it doesn't do well with filenames that contain spaces. |
| 2026-04-09 20:01:59 +0000 | <EvanR> | make is life |
| 2026-04-09 20:01:47 +0000 | <monochrom> | "call me by your name" should inspire a joke language for the next April 1. :) |
| 2026-04-09 20:01:27 +0000 | <acarrico> | Nobody has been spoiled by make, only burned. |
| 2026-04-09 20:01:07 +0000 | <monochrom> | <--- spoiled by GNU Make |
| 2026-04-09 20:00:57 +0000 | <mauke> | call me by your name |
| 2026-04-09 20:00:46 +0000 | <monochrom> | Whereas POSIX Make, I know nothing. :) |
| 2026-04-09 20:00:39 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | where N = name |
| 2026-04-09 20:00:36 +0000 | Guest3956 | (~puke@user/puke) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) |
| 2026-04-09 20:00:26 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | := is CBV, = is CBN I guess yes |
| 2026-04-09 20:00:11 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | oh right, Make has mutation in there too, I forgot |
| 2026-04-09 20:00:04 +0000 | wootehfoot | (~wootehfoo@user/wootehfoot) wootehfoot |
| 2026-04-09 19:59:45 +0000 | <monochrom> | I think GNU Make has "v = ..." vs "v := ..." for by-name vs by-value, I forgot which is which. |
| 2026-04-09 19:59:32 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | fun |
| 2026-04-09 19:59:28 +0000 | <acarrico> | Correct, think about it with interning and memoization! |
| 2026-04-09 19:59:13 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | acarrico: as in, if you'd literally write `(4 + 4) + (4 + 4)`, only two additions would get executed? |
| 2026-04-09 19:59:07 +0000 | <acarrico> | mauke: In Makefiles maybe there are two ways to expand shell variables. |
| 2026-04-09 19:58:17 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | mauke: fair |
| 2026-04-09 19:58:10 +0000 | <acarrico> | yes because it is simple, but also it is super lazy, since thunks only replace values in certain known locations, but memozition replaces them everywhere, so (4 + 4) + (4 + 4) is more lazy than by need. |
| 2026-04-09 19:58:07 +0000 | <mauke> | no, shell variables are eager |
| 2026-04-09 19:58:03 +0000 | uli-fem | (~uli-fem@115.128.112.118) |
| 2026-04-09 19:58:02 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | which is I guess technically true, but string concatenation is not really a programming language in my mind :p |
| 2026-04-09 19:58:00 +0000 | pyook | puke |
| 2026-04-09 19:58:00 +0000 | puke | Guest3956 |
| 2026-04-09 19:58:00 +0000 | pyook | (~puke@user/puke) puke |
| 2026-04-09 19:57:41 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | if you call that call-by-name, then shell variables are too, as is string interpolation in any language |
| 2026-04-09 19:57:05 +0000 | <mauke> | hey, aren't make variables just call-by-name (without the 'call' part)? |
| 2026-04-09 19:56:37 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | it's cute |
| 2026-04-09 19:56:35 +0000 | Lord_of_Life_ | Lord_of_Life |
| 2026-04-09 19:56:35 +0000 | <acarrico> | memoisation + interning |
| 2026-04-09 19:56:34 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | right, this is an approach I hadn't thought of yet |
| 2026-04-09 19:56:24 +0000 | <acarrico> | correct. |
| 2026-04-09 19:56:16 +0000 | <acarrico> | I've been toying with using it in a macro system the same way. |
| 2026-04-09 19:56:15 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | presumably :p |