Newest at the top
| 2026-03-11 09:44:04 +0100 | GdeVolpiano | (~GdeVolpia@user/GdeVolpiano) (Quit: WeeChat 4.7.2) |
| 2026-03-11 09:39:22 +0100 | chromoblob | (~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) chromoblob\0 |
| 2026-03-11 09:39:11 +0100 | prdak | (~Thunderbi@user/prdak) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2026-03-11 09:38:58 +0100 | tzh | (~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) (Quit: zzz) |
| 2026-03-11 09:34:39 +0100 | prdak | (~Thunderbi@user/prdak) prdak |
| 2026-03-11 09:33:03 +0100 | humasect | (~humasect@184.151.37.182) (Quit: Leaving...) |
| 2026-03-11 09:26:39 +0100 | tusko | (~uwu@user/tusko) tusko |
| 2026-03-11 09:26:24 +0100 | tusko | (~uwu@user/tusko) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-03-11 09:24:16 +0100 | <oskarw> | *that your |
| 2026-03-11 09:24:04 +0100 | <oskarw> | probie: You forgot that you burritos are wraped on space and are send back to you on Earth |
| 2026-03-11 09:21:39 +0100 | Digitteknohippie | Digit |
| 2026-03-11 09:21:06 +0100 | chromoblob | (~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2026-03-11 09:19:36 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-03-11 09:19:23 +0100 | <Rembane> | Hard agree |
| 2026-03-11 09:19:14 +0100 | <[exa]> | impure |
| 2026-03-11 09:18:27 +0100 | <[exa]> | people still do pizza and similar hard-to-wrap nonsense |
| 2026-03-11 09:18:16 +0100 | <[exa]> | I find this useful analogy under-used at meetups |
| 2026-03-11 09:16:51 +0100 | <Rembane> | Infinite breakfast |
| 2026-03-11 09:16:47 +0100 | <Rembane> | Gotta have all the burritos |
| 2026-03-11 09:16:42 +0100 | <[exa]> | burrito filling that spawns more burritos....y u m m y |
| 2026-03-11 09:14:08 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-03-11 09:13:45 +0100 | humasect | (~humasect@184.151.37.182) humasect |
| 2026-03-11 09:09:13 +0100 | <probie> | A monad is like a burrito, if you're a weirdo who uses smaller burritos as a filling for bigger burritos |
| 2026-03-11 09:07:24 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-03-11 09:03:55 +0100 | sord937 | (~sord937@gateway/tor-sasl/sord937) sord937 |
| 2026-03-11 09:02:45 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-03-11 08:59:39 +0100 | humasect | (~humasect@184.151.37.182) (Quit: Leaving...) |
| 2026-03-11 08:55:41 +0100 | <[exa]> | who said that thing with "abstract complex are elucidated by throwing examples at them" |
| 2026-03-11 08:55:20 +0100 | <[exa]> | +1000 ^ |
| 2026-03-11 08:55:19 +0100 | poscat | (~poscat@user/poscat) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-03-11 08:54:43 +0100 | <ski> | mesaoptimizer : do note that most "monad tutorials" out there are bad (unhelpful, hinders comprehension) |
| 2026-03-11 08:53:56 +0100 | poscat0x04 | (~poscat@user/poscat) poscat |
| 2026-03-11 08:53:38 +0100 | CiaoSen | (~Jura@2a02:8071:64e1:da0:5a47:caff:fe78:33db) CiaoSen |
| 2026-03-11 08:51:50 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-03-11 08:49:37 +0100 | oskarw | (~user@user/oskarw) oskarw |
| 2026-03-11 08:49:34 +0100 | Digitteknohippie | (~user@user/digit) Digit |
| 2026-03-11 08:49:24 +0100 | Digit | (~user@user/digit) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2026-03-11 08:46:59 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-03-11 08:46:48 +0100 | <Axman6> | It's basically how we taught things in the NICTA/Data61/System F FP course - here's a type, here's a function which uses that typew, implement the function that matches that type (hint there is 1/2/infinite ways to do that). Here's another type, here's a function's type: implement the function with that type... Hey, their types look really similar, can we do something with that? |
| 2026-03-11 08:44:57 +0100 | <opqdonut> | yes, agreed |
| 2026-03-11 08:44:44 +0100 | <Axman6> | There's a lot of external pressure to explain monads, because they're the big boogie man of Haskell people struggle to understand - but they'd be much better off starting to use things which are monads first, and then see that there's a common interface for them |
| 2026-03-11 08:44:19 +0100 | <mesaoptimizer> | nor that the laws necessarily hold if you define an instance of the classes |
| 2026-03-11 08:44:07 +0100 | <mesaoptimizer> | I see. Sure, perhaps I figure it out via learning to be comfortable with actual instances of these type classes. I'll try that. I didn't have the misconception that it was directly related to the category theoretic concepts, of course |
| 2026-03-11 08:43:53 +0100 | <humasect> | depends where one starts after all |
| 2026-03-11 08:42:46 +0100 | <dminuoso> | The biggest pedagogic mistake of Haskell. |
| 2026-03-11 08:42:01 +0100 | <dminuoso> | mesaoptimizer: I mean most individual instances of Applicative/Monad are trivial enough to figure out in a minute or two as long as you have more than a week of programming experience - and that knowledge is likely enough to become competent in Haskell.. |
| 2026-03-11 08:40:26 +0100 | ski | . o O ( "How to Replace Failure by a List of Successes: A method for exception handling, backtracking, and pattern matching in lazy functional languages" by Philip Wadler in 1985 at <http://www.rkrishnan.org/files/wadler-1985.pdf> ) |
| 2026-03-11 08:40:09 +0100 | <humasect> | yea; it clicks when it clicks |
| 2026-03-11 08:39:25 +0100 | <dminuoso> | I'd be willing to bet you can learn Haskell just fine without understanding what Applicative or Monad "are" |
| 2026-03-11 08:38:59 +0100 | <dminuoso> | irrelevant for learning haskell. |