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| 2026-02-13 23:29:59 +0100 | <mauke> | ah, here's a version with an "answer key": https://lemmy.ca/post/52764317/19307072 |
| 2026-02-13 23:29:33 +0100 | <ElementalFluorin> | mauke: Wouldn’t that be IBM/RedHat? |
| 2026-02-13 23:29:29 +0100 | <yushyin> | FluoridinatedFlu: be prepared for the fact that building haskell projects on nix/nixos can be a challenge, especially if you want to link against shared libs. When I tried that a while ago, I regularly ran into linker errors. I apparently exceeded the argv max length or something |
| 2026-02-13 23:29:20 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I see :p |
| 2026-02-13 23:29:14 +0100 | <ElementalFluorin> | tomsmeding: I tnink that was the joke. :) |
| 2026-02-13 23:29:04 +0100 | <Rembane> | I think I would prefer a world where more was fashion tech and less was fascism tech |
| 2026-02-13 23:29:01 +0100 | <mauke> | the "corporate control over packages" thing might be nix |
| 2026-02-13 23:28:55 +0100 | <ElementalFluorin> | monochrom: Uuum, in practice, capitalism’s goal of profit maximization by definition leads to totalitarian fascism though. But I think we’re getting too political in here now, for my taste. |
| 2026-02-13 23:28:25 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | ah |
| 2026-02-13 23:28:19 +0100 | <mauke> | tomsmeding: they're projects lead, financed, or controlled by people who are anti-woke, anti-diversity, and/or plain racist |
| 2026-02-13 23:28:14 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | honestly, most of the things that mauke mentions fit more with "fashion tech" than "fascism tech" |
| 2026-02-13 23:27:53 +0100 | ElementalFluorin | (~Elemental@2a02:3035:613:b707:f5e7:32a2:68a3:74db) |
| 2026-02-13 23:27:41 +0100 | <geekosaur> | and btb I originally read "fashtech" as a portmanteau of "fashion" and "tech", but then I think a lot of modern (especially web) tech has been there for years |
| 2026-02-13 23:27:24 +0100 | <monochrom> | "corporations protecting you from yourself" sounds more like capitalism than fascism. |
| 2026-02-13 23:27:00 +0100 | <FluoridinatedFlu> | I’m gonna develop a ASN.1 impllementation of Nix syntax; gouge your eyes out, because I am Nyarlathotep! XD |
| 2026-02-13 23:26:55 +0100 | <geekosaur> | but I don't think they've built an OS around hurd+guix as yet |
| 2026-02-13 23:26:54 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | because if this is just a random list of bad stuff, I'm still not sure what "fashtech" is supposed to mean :p |
| 2026-02-13 23:26:52 +0100 | <mauke> | I don't know that one |
| 2026-02-13 23:26:47 +0100 | <Clint> | what's the wayland part |
| 2026-02-13 23:26:46 +0100 | <mauke> | the web browser is ladybird. the "distributed functional programming" is urbit |
| 2026-02-13 23:26:40 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I might also drop in guix as a somewhat more principled nix-like |
| 2026-02-13 23:26:34 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-02-13 23:26:25 +0100 | <mauke> | tomsmeding: might be tailwind. the x11 stuff is almost definitely xlibre |
| 2026-02-13 23:26:17 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | the nix website probably has css |
| 2026-02-13 23:26:07 +0100 | <FluoridinatedFlu> | Or fashionable ones |
| 2026-02-13 23:26:06 +0100 | <monochrom> | Does nix have CSS? |
| 2026-02-13 23:25:52 +0100 | <FluoridinatedFlu> | tomsmeding: Bad ideologies, in general, I would say. |
| 2026-02-13 23:25:50 +0100 | michalz | (~michalz@185.246.207.222) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-02-13 23:25:37 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | mauke: what is @zzt referring to there? It seems like a random list of "bad stuff", but then "terrible Fisher-Price CSS" sounds like it's targeting something specific |
| 2026-02-13 23:25:34 +0100 | <FluoridinatedFlu> | mauke: XD |
| 2026-02-13 23:24:58 +0100 | <FluoridinatedFlu> | monochrom: Well, that’s easy: Just instead of NewStandard 1.0, call it ThatOldStandard 2.0! :D Look at my boy USB! :D |
| 2026-02-13 23:24:20 +0100 | <mauke> | tomsmeding: fascism + technology. see also https://mas.to/@zzt/115272477801664683 |
| 2026-02-13 23:23:53 +0100 | <FluoridinatedFlu> | (It was a joke. Like Toki Pona or a programming languages that consists purely of brackets ;) |
| 2026-02-13 23:23:41 +0100 | <monochrom> | We don't need more fragmentation or "one more standard". |
| 2026-02-13 23:23:31 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | But it sounds like you want it, hence us suggesting it. :) |
| 2026-02-13 23:23:19 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I'm not sure we need that. It's a nice ideal, but I feel it's also an ideal that creates friction with reality in how I (and others) want to use their machines |
| 2026-02-13 23:22:27 +0100 | <FluoridinatedFlu> | So you’re saying we need something more clean… more elegant… Like pure category theory expressed as unlambda… :D |
| 2026-02-13 23:22:16 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | what in the world is "fashtech" |
| 2026-02-13 23:22:05 +0100 | <mauke> | I don't use it either, but I've heard it's fashtech-adjacent |
| 2026-02-13 23:21:55 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-02-13 23:21:43 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | (I don't really know what's wrong with nix because I don't use it. :) ) |
| 2026-02-13 23:21:31 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | if nothing else, to figure out what things are wrong with nix so you can further refine your ideals on how systems should work |
| 2026-02-13 23:21:04 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | It kind of sounds like you should give nix a serious try |
| 2026-02-13 23:20:51 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | at the same time, nix is a slippery slope to nixos, and the language is untyped with no good proposals for a sensible type system (so it's actually inherently untyped). :) |
| 2026-02-13 23:20:24 +0100 | <FluoridinatedFlu> | tomsmeding: As a Haskell programmer, and a supporter of the idea of the block universe, that’s of course very attractive. :) |
| 2026-02-13 23:19:50 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | which subsumes a package manager |
| 2026-02-13 23:19:41 +0100 | <geekosaur> | because, as I said, the system package manager does not serve developers, it serves the packagers |
| 2026-02-13 23:19:38 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | FluoridinatedFlu: The idea -- as a non-user, disclaimer! -- is that it tries to give you a "declarative system" |
| 2026-02-13 23:19:06 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | you can still just use stuff on the system without declaring that as a dependency in your package. |
| 2026-02-13 23:19:04 +0100 | <FluoridinatedFlu> | tomsmeding: That sounds indeed nice. So is it basically a more advanced package manager? |