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| 2026-01-06 22:06:02 +0100 | <jreicher> | Oh, I don't consider that a problem with STARTTLS. IMO that's a problem with client implementations. They shouldn't proceed if TLS is unavailable. |
| 2026-01-06 22:05:27 +0100 | morj | (~morj@user/morj) (Quit: Konversation terminated!) |
| 2026-01-06 22:03:19 +0100 | karenw | (~karenw@user/karenw) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2026-01-06 22:02:54 +0100 | synchromesh | (~john@2406:5a00:2412:2c00:c177:4fdc:d0ff:49db) synchromesh |
| 2026-01-06 22:02:28 +0100 | synchromesh | (~john@2406:5a00:2412:2c00:c177:4fdc:d0ff:49db) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2026-01-06 21:59:49 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2026-01-06 21:59:21 +0100 | <mauke> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunistic_TLS#Weaknesses_and_mitigations |
| 2026-01-06 21:58:23 +0100 | Typer_of_Terms | (~Typer_of_@85.62.22.209) Typer_of_Terms |
| 2026-01-06 21:57:33 +0100 | <jreicher> | Why? |
| 2026-01-06 21:56:15 +0100 | <mauke> | insecure |
| 2026-01-06 21:55:13 +0100 | <jreicher> | larsivi: I quite like STARTTLS, and always have. Why would it be frowned upon? |
| 2026-01-06 21:54:46 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-01-06 21:47:31 +0100 | sord937 | (~sord937@gateway/tor-sasl/sord937) (Quit: sord937) |
| 2026-01-06 21:44:02 +0100 | trickard_ | (~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) |
| 2026-01-06 21:43:48 +0100 | trickard | (~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2026-01-06 21:43:15 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2026-01-06 21:38:05 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-01-06 21:34:30 +0100 | jreicher | (~joelr@user/jreicher) jreicher |
| 2026-01-06 21:32:00 +0100 | prite | (~pritam@user/pritambaral) (Quit: Konversation terminated!) |
| 2026-01-06 21:29:53 +0100 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) user363627 |
| 2026-01-06 21:27:55 +0100 | euandreh | (~Thunderbi@2804:d59:8970:b900:ab52:d56:3299:431) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-01-06 21:25:43 +0100 | comerijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2026-01-06 21:23:56 +0100 | Brumaire | (~no@94.140.114.73) Brumaire |
| 2026-01-06 21:20:25 +0100 | Lycurgus | (~juan@user/Lycurgus) (Quit: alsoknownas.renjuan.org ( juan@acm.org )) |
| 2026-01-06 21:10:59 +0100 | Brumaire | (~no@94.140.114.73) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2026-01-06 21:10:55 +0100 | itaipu | (~itaipu@168.121.98.37) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2026-01-06 21:10:34 +0100 | trickard__ | trickard |
| 2026-01-06 21:09:31 +0100 | Brumaire_ | (~no@94.140.114.73) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-01-06 21:01:37 +0100 | ttybitnik | (~ttybitnik@user/wolper) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2026-01-06 21:00:35 +0100 | polykernel | (~polykerne@user/polykernel) polykernel |
| 2026-01-06 21:00:22 +0100 | polykernel | (~polykerne@user/polykernel) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2026-01-06 20:55:37 +0100 | pavonia | (~user@user/siracusa) siracusa |
| 2026-01-06 20:44:42 +0100 | euandreh | (~Thunderbi@2804:d59:8970:b900:ab52:d56:3299:431) euandreh |
| 2026-01-06 20:42:34 +0100 | morj | (~morj@user/morj) morj |
| 2026-01-06 20:39:06 +0100 | <mauke> | so I guess data-default officially supports microhs now |
| 2026-01-06 20:37:43 +0100 | Lord_of_Life_ | Lord_of_Life |
| 2026-01-06 20:37:13 +0100 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2026-01-06 20:36:24 +0100 | Lord_of_Life_ | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life |
| 2026-01-06 20:29:11 +0100 | __monty__ | (~toonn@user/toonn) toonn |
| 2026-01-06 20:26:08 +0100 | jreicher | (~joelr@user/jreicher) (Quit: In transit) |
| 2026-01-06 20:18:59 +0100 | <larsivi> | STARTTLS is a mechanism to allow for both non-TLS and TLS on the same port. Not ideal, and generally frowned upon these days, at least for SMTP. |
| 2026-01-06 20:16:09 +0100 | jmcantrell_ | jmcantrell |
| 2026-01-06 20:12:30 +0100 | remexre | (~remexre@user/remexre) remexre |
| 2026-01-06 20:11:18 +0100 | remexre | (~remexre@user/remexre) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2026-01-06 20:08:23 +0100 | newmind | (~newmind@91-133-90-252.dyn.cablelink.at) |
| 2026-01-06 20:01:07 +0100 | <glguy> | And perhaps related: the STARTTLS feature implemented by some clients means you'll automatically upgrade plaintext connections to TLS connections |
| 2026-01-06 20:00:05 +0100 | <glguy> | SASL Plain mechanism is a different category from using TLS(previously called SSL). You can use each of those independently |
| 2026-01-06 19:44:45 +0100 | larsivi | (~larsivi@user/larsivi) larsivi |
| 2026-01-06 19:38:18 +0100 | __monty__ | (~toonn@user/toonn) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2026-01-06 19:32:10 +0100 | comerijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn |