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| 2025-06-05 23:01:12 +0200 | jespada | (~jespada@r179-25-40-226.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) jespada |
| 2025-06-05 23:00:19 +0200 | <sclv> | ah -- i see. its "we want to build with shake instead of cabal, but we want a package environment that has all the packages we need to build." you totally _can_ do that with cabal, by installing the packages into a package environment. |
| 2025-06-05 22:59:33 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-06-05 22:59:18 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> __monty__ if you are attached to running the shakefile via "shake", that can't ensure dependencies, you'll have to do that yourself as a separate step. That's the reason people make it a cabal/stack script. |
| 2025-06-05 22:58:11 +0200 | sabathan2 | (~sabathan@amarseille-159-1-12-107.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 2025-06-05 22:57:49 +0200 | sabathan2 | (~sabathan@amarseille-159-1-12-107.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-06-05 22:57:31 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> welcome to the thread sclv :) |
| 2025-06-05 22:57:25 +0200 | jespada | (~jespada@r179-25-40-226.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2025-06-05 22:56:57 +0200 | <sclv> | i'm so confused. |
| 2025-06-05 22:56:15 +0200 | <__monty__> | I'd prefer the specification to be complete regardless of whether someone else wants to use Nix. |
| 2025-06-05 22:56:14 +0200 | prdak | (~Thunderbi@user/prdak) prdak |
| 2025-06-05 22:56:11 +0200 | <EvanR> | who is in charge of building |
| 2025-06-05 22:56:00 +0200 | <EvanR> | I'm confused about how shake + cabal can exist in the same project, they're both build tools |
| 2025-06-05 22:55:34 +0200 | <sclv> | then to have it in place, using nix, just add it to your nix environment. that's what nix is for |
| 2025-06-05 22:55:15 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> fair enough |
| 2025-06-05 22:54:59 +0200 | <__monty__> | I know it's not. It's just how I like to run it, parallels the make + Makefile workflow nicely. |
| 2025-06-05 22:54:44 +0200 | <sclv> | if you do want an executable in place during some other portion of a cabal build, adding that executable in build-tool-depends _should_ work. however as sm says, i don't believe the shake executable is necessary to run a shakefile. |
| 2025-06-05 22:54:34 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-06-05 22:54:19 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> or it runs the shakefile with runhaskell |
| 2025-06-05 22:53:55 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> "shake" certainly isn't required to run a shakefile. Here's the main, it seems to try to run ninja: https://github.com/ndmitchell/shake/blob/master/src/Run.hs |
| 2025-06-05 22:53:20 +0200 | <__monty__> | It's required to run the Shakefile, that's all. I'm just hoping there's a nice way to specify it in a Cabal file to be made available. Is a hypothetical script component with "run-depends: base, aeson, shake" really so outrageous? |
| 2025-06-05 22:51:19 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> good question, it seems underdocumented |
| 2025-06-05 22:51:07 +0200 | sabathan2 | (~sabathan@amarseille-159-1-12-107.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 2025-06-05 22:50:43 +0200 | sabathan2 | (~sabathan@amarseille-159-1-12-107.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-06-05 22:48:57 +0200 | Unicorn_Princess | (~Unicorn_P@user/Unicorn-Princess/x-3540542) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-06-05 22:48:51 +0200 | <geekosaur> | okay, that's more or less what I expected, so where does this "shake" executable come in? |
| 2025-06-05 22:48:43 +0200 | trickard_ | (~trickard@cpe-51-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) |
| 2025-06-05 22:48:30 +0200 | trickard | (~trickard@cpe-51-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-06-05 22:47:35 +0200 | <sclv> | its a haskell program. |
| 2025-06-05 22:47:35 +0200 | <sclv> | this is what a shakefile looks like. it has a main function and everything: https://shakebuild.com/manual#running |
| 2025-06-05 22:47:34 +0200 | <__monty__> | No, my tooling sets up the dependencies but that tooling does so by interpreting a Cabal file. |
| 2025-06-05 22:47:20 +0200 | <geekosaur> | or are you asking shake to do what it doesn't? |
| 2025-06-05 22:46:54 +0200 | <geekosaur> | so what you really want is for shake tpo understand build dependencies? |
| 2025-06-05 22:46:51 +0200 | <sclv> | a shakefile is literally an executable script. thats how it works. compiling vs interpreting is simply a matter of efficiency and optimization. |
| 2025-06-05 22:46:25 +0200 | <geekosaur> | well, no, if they don't need to be rebuilt they don't |
| 2025-06-05 22:46:16 +0200 | <EvanR> | it gets the same results in the end which is why I was curious what difference it makes |
| 2025-06-05 22:46:10 +0200 | <geekosaur> | yes |
| 2025-06-05 22:46:01 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> sclv, geekosaur: do cabal scripts _always_ compile now ? |
| 2025-06-05 22:45:25 +0200 | sabathan2 | (~sabathan@amarseille-159-1-12-107.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 2025-06-05 22:45:03 +0200 | sabathan2 | (~sabathan@amarseille-159-1-12-107.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-06-05 22:44:41 +0200 | <sclv> | it used to interpret then people fixed it |
| 2025-06-05 22:44:37 +0200 | <EvanR> | compiling vs interpreting is subjective |
| 2025-06-05 22:44:35 +0200 | <__monty__> | I don't know why everyone's assuming I want to execute the Shakefile as if it's an executable? I just want to invoke `shake myShakefile.hs`. |
| 2025-06-05 22:44:27 +0200 | <sclv> | there’s no downside to how cabal does scripts |
| 2025-06-05 22:44:17 +0200 | <sclv> | the hard part isn’t compiling its making deps available. after that compiling is just an efficiency optimization |
| 2025-06-05 22:43:49 +0200 | <__monty__> | The problem with an executable component is just that `cabal build` does too much. I don't need the Shakefile to be compiled. |
| 2025-06-05 22:43:46 +0200 | <geekosaur> | then you want a kernel module to recognize Shakefiles??? how exactly do you think this is supposed to work? |
| 2025-06-05 22:43:46 +0200 | <sclv> | why |
| 2025-06-05 22:43:29 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-06-05 22:43:13 +0200 | <__monty__> | Not Cabal nor Stack nor Nix. |