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| 2025-05-12 05:38:16 +0200 | <EvanR> | how do all these languages get recursion without lazy evaluation |
| 2025-05-12 05:36:21 +0200 | <monochrom> | True. |
| 2025-05-12 05:28:34 +0200 | <EvanR> | or else evaluating fix f necessarily freezes |
| 2025-05-12 05:28:03 +0200 | <EvanR> | true or false, to have a working fixed point construct for recursion, you need some kind of lazy evaluation |
| 2025-05-12 05:27:43 +0200 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) user363627 |
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| 2025-05-12 05:22:59 +0200 | <monochrom> | :) |
| 2025-05-12 05:18:32 +0200 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) user363627 |
| 2025-05-12 05:02:25 +0200 | hughjfchen | (~hughjfche@vmi2417424.contaboserver.net) hughjfchen |
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| 2025-05-12 03:53:23 +0200 | <EvanR> | I'm wrong, since the environment would have first class functions with their own environment in a closure |
| 2025-05-12 03:50:26 +0200 | j1n37 | (~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37 |
| 2025-05-12 03:49:41 +0200 | j1n37- | (~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-05-12 03:49:14 +0200 | hughjfchen | (~hughjfche@vmi2417424.contaboserver.net) hughjfchen |
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| 2025-05-12 03:06:59 +0200 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj |
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| 2025-05-12 03:01:11 +0200 | siliconcritters | (~siliconcr@syn-068-188-168-151.res.spectrum.com) (Quit: siliconcritters) |
| 2025-05-12 02:45:55 +0200 | jmcantrell | (~weechat@user/jmcantrell) jmcantrell |
| 2025-05-12 02:42:05 +0200 | meinside | (uid24933@id-24933.helmsley.irccloud.com) meinside |
| 2025-05-12 02:39:31 +0200 | <EvanR> | so ghc must do none of the above |
| 2025-05-12 02:38:31 +0200 | <EvanR> | it seems to me that environment is real solution only if stuff in the environment doesn't have free variables, like in eager evaluation |
| 2025-05-12 02:35:14 +0200 | xff0x | (~xff0x@2405:6580:b080:900:42e0:bce1:22f1:2695) |
| 2025-05-12 02:34:34 +0200 | califax | (~califax@user/califx) califx |
| 2025-05-12 02:32:29 +0200 | <monochrom> | I think Scheme hygienic macros use the alpha-convert way. |
| 2025-05-12 02:32:23 +0200 | califax | (~califax@user/califx) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-05-12 02:31:57 +0200 | <monochrom> | The pros do one of. They do one of: numbering, environment, alpha-convert lambdas to fresh vars before substitute (e.g., rewrite (\x y -> x + y) to (\uuid1934 uuid3141 -> uuid1934 + uuid3141)) |
| 2025-05-12 02:28:55 +0200 | <monochrom> | The mistake happens if you really do what you tell beginners: substitute. :) |
| 2025-05-12 02:27:33 +0200 | <monochrom> | Environment is also a way to be invulnerable. |
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