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| 2025-04-29 14:25:18 +0200 | <yin> | i was around in freenode! i remember ski helping me understand recursive tree traversal |
| 2025-04-29 14:24:59 +0200 | <shapr> | yin: this channel was started in the first few months of 2001 |
| 2025-04-29 14:24:57 +0200 | tomsmeding | discovered freenode after the rename, apparently |
| 2025-04-29 14:24:39 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | ah |
| 2025-04-29 14:24:39 +0200 | JuanDaugherty | (~juan@user/JuanDaugherty) JuanDaugherty |
| 2025-04-29 14:24:37 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | I only barely know the existence of EFNet from earlier mentions |
| 2025-04-29 14:24:30 +0200 | <shapr> | Right, though OPN got renamed to freenode, so roughly the same thing |
| 2025-04-29 14:24:21 +0200 | Square2 | (~Square4@user/square) Square |
| 2025-04-29 14:24:16 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | EFNet -> OPN -> Freenode -> Libera? |
| 2025-04-29 14:23:58 +0200 | <shapr> | Mind you, we moved from EFNet to, uh, OPN, and now to Libera |
| 2025-04-29 14:23:54 +0200 | jespada | (~jespada@r167-61-148-73.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) jespada |
| 2025-04-29 14:23:51 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | probably a few irc networks earlier, or was it freenode in the beginning already? |
| 2025-04-29 14:23:49 +0200 | <yin> | shapr: oh great! well, thank you then |
| 2025-04-29 14:23:23 +0200 | <shapr> | yin: yes! |
| 2025-04-29 14:23:19 +0200 | <yin> | wait, are you talking about *this* channel? |
| 2025-04-29 14:23:18 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | maybe :p |
| 2025-04-29 14:23:03 +0200 | <shapr> | soon it'll be you! |
| 2025-04-29 14:22:59 +0200 | <shapr> | tomsmeding: a decent chunk of the early crowd now have their own PhD students |
| 2025-04-29 14:22:39 +0200 | <shapr> | yin: you're here now! hurrah! |
| 2025-04-29 14:22:37 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | it's cool to see that some of those are still around :) |
| 2025-04-29 14:22:28 +0200 | <yin> | i wish i thought of that when i was teaching myself haskell |
| 2025-04-29 14:22:10 +0200 | <shapr> | Yeah, early days were Igloo and Heffalump and ski and a few others. |
| 2025-04-29 14:21:43 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | or non-ideas |
| 2025-04-29 14:21:39 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | having someone to bounce ideas off is great, yeah |
| 2025-04-29 14:21:24 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | hah |
| 2025-04-29 14:21:18 +0200 | <shapr> | Mind you, that's why I started this IRC channel, because I was unable to teach myself Haskell |
| 2025-04-29 14:21:05 +0200 | <shapr> | Another reason this is working better is that I'm in a reading group, where I get stuck is not where exarkun gets stuck. |
| 2025-04-29 14:20:27 +0200 | <yin> | ty |
| 2025-04-29 14:20:19 +0200 | <shapr> | yin: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1404132.Denotational_Semantics |
| 2025-04-29 14:20:11 +0200 | <shapr> | I think partially because it's very concrete. |
| 2025-04-29 14:20:05 +0200 | <yin> | shapr: which book is it? |
| 2025-04-29 14:19:50 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | that's cool! |
| 2025-04-29 14:19:44 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | lol |
| 2025-04-29 14:19:39 +0200 | <shapr> | I've bounced off several category theory books previously, but this 1976(?) book is working for me. |
| 2025-04-29 14:19:33 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | but it definitely has uses, and it's sometimes a really good abstraction |
| 2025-04-29 14:19:29 +0200 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2025-04-29 14:19:25 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | now, lots of CS considers laziness a bad idea too |
| 2025-04-29 14:19:13 +0200 | <shapr> | Yeah, I could see laziness being unimportant in pure math. |
| 2025-04-29 14:19:01 +0200 | tomsmeding | would probably have the same, just given the title, despite actually having some formal math education |
| 2025-04-29 14:18:59 +0200 | shapr | thinks |
| 2025-04-29 14:18:40 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | I can imagine :p |
| 2025-04-29 14:18:30 +0200 | <shapr> | Because I have zero formal math education, it's rough going |
| 2025-04-29 14:18:15 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | shapr: I'm thinking, but perhaps laziness is one of those CS-only abstractions? |
| 2025-04-29 14:18:09 +0200 | <shapr> | I'm reading "Denotational Semantics: The Scott-Strachey Approach to Programming Language Theory" with exarkun |
| 2025-04-29 14:17:44 +0200 | <shapr> | Something like that. |
| 2025-04-29 14:17:42 +0200 | <shapr> | Or maybe "CS *must have* a tiny view" ? |
| 2025-04-29 14:17:28 +0200 | <yin> | computers were a mistake and we got too carried away |
| 2025-04-29 14:17:12 +0200 | <shapr> | So I currently lean towards "CS has a smaller view because computers are so tiny right now" |
| 2025-04-29 14:17:10 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | sometimes math happens to have stuff that's useful for performance too, like Cayley transformation (i.e. "difference lists") or Coyoneda (which I have no clue about, but iirc was a generalisation that can be used to reassociate (>>=) where Cayley reassociates (<>)) |
| 2025-04-29 14:16:48 +0200 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:81f6:6a75:5fad:c9b4) |