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| 2025-04-22 02:12:14 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-04-22 02:12:13 +0200 | Googulator92 | (~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-2077-315b-d519-517f-afe7.pool6.digikabel.hu) |
| 2025-04-22 02:11:56 +0200 | Googulator92 | (~Googulato@94-21-172-228.pool.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2025-04-22 02:11:55 +0200 | acidjnk | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e71c4f08445cea1ba17aeda3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-04-22 02:05:51 +0200 | <TMA> | S(6) > 10 ^^ 15 (^^ is tetration) |
| 2025-04-22 02:05:05 +0200 | <EvanR> | maybe inventing a new annoying form of ultrafinitism |
| 2025-04-22 02:04:43 +0200 | <EvanR> | which leads me to question if you can "know" what the value 2834528348238485234593452341237645 is |
| 2025-04-22 02:04:34 +0200 | jespada | (~jespada@r190-135-225-29.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2025-04-22 02:03:56 +0200 | foul_owl | (~kerry@174-21-146-90.tukw.qwest.net) foul_owl |
| 2025-04-22 02:01:33 +0200 | <EvanR> | in which case I'm not sure what knowing entails |
| 2025-04-22 02:00:47 +0200 | <EvanR> | would it be like something with scientific notation, or something that defies notation because it's so big |
| 2025-04-22 02:00:27 +0200 | <EvanR> | "knowing" what this 27-beaver number is is funny |
| 2025-04-22 02:00:15 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-04-22 02:00:05 +0200 | <EvanR> | also |
| 2025-04-22 01:59:10 +0200 | <EvanR> | with this clarification of what's what, I think the answer to my question is "no" |
| 2025-04-22 01:58:53 +0200 | <TMA> | that's for engineers |
| 2025-04-22 01:58:43 +0200 | <TMA> | mathematics does not concern itself with praxis though :) |
| 2025-04-22 01:57:55 +0200 | <TMA> | in praxis the difference tends to be immense |
| 2025-04-22 01:57:37 +0200 | <TMA> | in theory there is no difference between theory and praxis |
| 2025-04-22 01:57:25 +0200 | <EvanR> | yeah "you know it in theory" is funny |
| 2025-04-22 01:57:06 +0200 | <geekosaur> | but if it runs for 10^60 years, do you really know the answer from its running time? |
| 2025-04-22 01:56:42 +0200 | <TMA> | a k-state TM that halts halts in at most BB(k) steps |
| 2025-04-22 01:56:42 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I know I got the terminology wrong there |
| 2025-04-22 01:56:31 +0200 | <EvanR> | fininte but possibly unbounded? |
| 2025-04-22 01:55:53 +0200 | <geekosaur> | what's the difference between "halts" and "halts in a finite but possibly unbounded amount of time" |
| 2025-04-22 01:55:14 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-04-22 01:54:38 +0200 | <TMA> | so, you do not know it immediately, but you know it in theory, because only finite many steps are missing |
| 2025-04-22 01:54:00 +0200 | Guest49 | (~Guest49@astrolabe.plus.com) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2025-04-22 01:53:42 +0200 | <TMA> | you can decide by running it for the 27-beaver steps |
| 2025-04-22 01:52:11 +0200 | <EvanR> | does this mean if you know the running time of the 27-state busy beaver that you know the answer to goldbach's conjecture |
| 2025-04-22 01:51:06 +0200 | foul_owl | (~kerry@94.156.149.91) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2025-04-22 01:46:23 +0200 | <EvanR> | There is a 27-state turing machine which halts if and only if goldbach's conjecture is true |
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