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2025-04-19 21:09:01 +0200 <monochrom> hierarchical password managers like hierarchical epoll instances >:)
2025-04-19 21:08:37 +0200 <EvanR> there's so many password managers I need a password manager manager
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2025-04-19 20:59:25 +0200 <geekosaur> I have two secure passwords memorized, the rest my password manager handles. (Both of those two, naturally, are password managers or have password manager functionality)
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2025-04-19 20:13:01 +0200 <monochrom> Truly random letters are extremely hard to type in. I know because my friends tried. They had a Netflix account with a random-letter password, and of course normally one benefits from a password manager that enters it for you. One day we went to an AirBnB house and tried to log in on that TV manually. Immediately we were like we regretted secure passwords, it's so hard to enter.
2025-04-19 20:09:47 +0200euleritian(~euleritia@p5b00a7f4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
2025-04-19 20:09:45 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> 20 years ago, overheard password, apparently less than 24 bits for an ibank password
2025-04-19 20:09:42 +0200 <monochrom> Also a lot of places.
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2025-04-19 20:09:07 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> but iirc 128 bits was apparently a standard at microsoft a decade ago
2025-04-19 20:08:29 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> the alternative is 20 random characters and letters, of course
2025-04-19 20:08:26 +0200 <monochrom> I don't have better memories. I resort to storing a ton of passwords in a file, but I keep it encrypted with one single long password, and I just remember that one. Or rather, finger-muscle-memory really.
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2025-04-19 20:06:51 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> then generating the passwords manually is painful
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2025-04-19 20:06:37 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> the problem with diceware is, to reach 128 bits of entropy, you need 8 words, which, i guess you folks have better memories
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2025-04-19 20:04:48 +0200 <monochrom> I saw something like the xkcd and Diceware a long time before, and probably better in principle. The school sysadmin generated random initial passwords of the form of two instances of consonant-vowel-consonant-vowel-consonant. So basically something pronounciable but not required to be real words. (The context was also: I requested a ton of guest accounts for a programming contest. The stake was pretty low.)
2025-04-19 20:04:29 +0200euleritian(~euleritia@dynamic-176-006-138-003.176.6.pool.telefonica.de)
2025-04-19 20:04:24 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> the housing for a device probably will be less than $5, not sure how much a cheap LED would cost, currently, an electronic passbook (presumably with random password generation) costs around $55
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2025-04-19 20:02:50 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> but it doesn't really matter whether it's risc-v or arm
2025-04-19 20:02:22 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> hmmm, apparently you can get a decent risc-v single-board computer for only $5 (pre-tariffs)
2025-04-19 20:01:26 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> it does work insofar as it references its generator, and ware is commonplace in the crypto / security communities (ransomware, for instance)
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2025-04-19 19:56:33 +0200 <monochrom> May I say that "Diceware" is also a poorly chosen name? My first guess was "is that like something in the kitchen"?