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| 2026-03-09 13:32:41 +0100 | YoungFrog | (~youngfrog@2a02:a03f:ca07:f900:1032:66d2:1281:f541) youngfrog |
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| 2026-03-09 13:25:46 +0100 | <ski> | EvanR : yea, the point of that respone was to provide perhaps a more mathematical/logical aspect to the FD semantics. but yes, neither of the mentioned two effects have anything to do with actually selecting an instance, but rather to constrain the usage (merging used instances (demanded constraints)) and definition (disallowing instances violating the FD) of instances |
| 2026-03-09 13:24:29 +0100 | xff0x | (~xff0x@2405:6580:b080:900:3f2f:c15f:718f:76d4) |
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| 2026-03-09 12:20:30 +0100 | int-e | runs |
| 2026-03-09 12:20:28 +0100 | <int-e> | mauke: with Haskell you can have both! |
| 2026-03-09 12:20:14 +0100 | dutchie | (~dutchie@user/dutchie) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-03-09 12:20:02 +0100 | <mauke> | I strongly prefer code to be typed, not generated |
| 2026-03-09 12:19:57 +0100 | <newmind> | int-e: more or less, yes :) still more successful than just inventing code that then just crashes at runtime |
| 2026-03-09 12:18:47 +0100 | <int-e> | "but it compiles" -- yeah because they throw the code at the compiler until it does |
| 2026-03-09 12:00:19 +0100 | j1n37 | (~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37 |
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| 2026-03-09 11:42:41 +0100 | dutchie | (~dutchie@user/dutchie) dutchie |
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| 2026-03-09 11:35:18 +0100 | <newmind> | at least the claude models are.. usable? they still get a lot of it wrong, and often get stuck in trivial sections, and the code they produce is... quite bad... but it compiles, and once it's working, refactoring it in a strongly typed language is so much more reliable than without |
| 2026-03-09 11:34:03 +0100 | <merijn> | mesaoptimizer: I mean, that's just reinventing Epigram but unprincipled :p\ |
| 2026-03-09 11:33:45 +0100 | <merijn> | newmind: I've mostly been using it with Scala, so not entirely sure how it does for HAskell |
| 2026-03-09 11:32:10 +0100 | <newmind> | merijn: i feel like it is quite a bit worse at generation, it one-shots less reliably, and often falls back to imperative patterns which don't quite fit wit haskell... but at least most of the time it then doesn't compile and it can fix that, rather than relying just on unit tests or the user catching it |
| 2026-03-09 11:29:07 +0100 | <merijn> | [exa]: tbh, chatgpt seems to do much better with strongly typed code than other stuff imo |
| 2026-03-09 11:28:49 +0100 | vgtw | (~vgtw@user/vgtw) vgtw |
| 2026-03-09 11:25:45 +0100 | xff0x | (~xff0x@fsb6a9491c.tkyc517.ap.nuro.jp) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2026-03-09 10:54:59 +0100 | <mesaoptimizer> | (question is whether they will stay intuitive enough for programmers) |
| 2026-03-09 10:54:19 +0100 | <mesaoptimizer> | perhaps if you model the syntax-semantics space, you can essentially sample from regions that are adverserially optimized to be incoherent and counter-intuitive to the model |
| 2026-03-09 10:53:38 +0100 | <mesaoptimizer> | one could also make syntax-semantics combinations that are extremely alien to the LLM |
| 2026-03-09 10:53:02 +0100 | <mesaoptimizer> | possibly, yeah. I do notice that it is incredibly difficult for LLMs to write dependent type theoretic code, but my experiments were only with Agda (when attempting to learn it) |
| 2026-03-09 10:51:52 +0100 | <kuribas> | idris? |
| 2026-03-09 10:51:04 +0100 | <mesaoptimizer> | I wonder if there are languages that are extremely resistant to LLM codegen, such that any code written is very likely human-written |
| 2026-03-09 10:48:15 +0100 | <[exa]> | if you explicitly say "do not use Bool", humans will switch to some correct-by-construction workflow (like having Maybe query or so); poor claude will encode booleans in strings and integers |
| 2026-03-09 10:47:04 +0100 | <[exa]> | I found that particular issue to be an interesting thing to write into homework assignments |
| 2026-03-09 10:46:34 +0100 | alinab | (sid468903@id-468903.helmsley.irccloud.com) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) |
| 2026-03-09 10:46:07 +0100 | <mesaoptimizer> | lol |
| 2026-03-09 10:46:02 +0100 | <[exa]> | c'mon it's python encoded in haskell, newbie-friendly! |