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| 2025-03-04 00:40:04 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> you know me as the guy (Inst) who likes to complain about minor syntax issues with Haskell, when Haskell is tied with Python for terseness (monad accounting cancels out FP terseness) |
| 2025-03-04 00:39:44 +0100 | ystael | (~ystael@user/ystael) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-03-04 00:39:10 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> also, a very nice thing about playing with Rust is that it's so freaking verbose |
| 2025-03-04 00:38:28 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> for instance, someone told me that Haskellers just tend to define datatypes anywhere instead of using specialized modules |
| 2025-03-04 00:38:00 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> i guess none of what i'm saying is new; people with orders of magnitude more experience than me have compared OOP vs FP approaches; OOP has very nice things about how it organizes code (I've always found FP libs to be disorganized) |
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| 2025-03-04 00:35:25 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> jackdk: I'm just doing a simple tetris game in Rust, turned out to have taken much longer until I went to datatypes -> functions (in this case methods) approach |
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| 2025-03-03 23:47:41 +0100 | <monochrom> | In Haskell, if you use the async library (https://hackage.haskell.org/package/async), it is actually not too different from the Python version. |
| 2025-03-03 23:45:32 +0100 | ljdarj1 | ljdarj |
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| 2025-03-03 23:44:49 +0100 | <constxd> | i have to defer the application of f with its arguments until the bind operation that unwraps the pure value |
| 2025-03-03 23:43:47 +0100 | <constxd> | and then it's literally just pure |
| 2025-03-03 23:43:39 +0100 | <constxd> | in haskell it doesn't matter i guess because you just apply f immediately, there's no difference |
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| 2025-03-03 23:42:49 +0100 | <jackdk> | Liamzee: any chance you can say more about the problem you're modelling? |
| 2025-03-03 23:42:34 +0100 | <jackdk> | Liamzee: I have never found OOP to be a scalable technique. As soon as you work on two types of data, you have to make hard choices about which OOclass "owns" the method, or invent dubious nouns to hold a single function of two arguments. |
| 2025-03-03 23:42:03 +0100 | <monochrom> | jackdk: This is how I teach Haskell type classes. At the end there is also a little discussion about C++ and Java. https://www.cs.utoronto.ca/~trebla/CSCC24-latest/04-haskell-types-2.html |
| 2025-03-03 23:41:57 +0100 | <constxd> | but in a language with colored async functions (python), i have this: def foo(f, *xs): async def g(): return f(*xs); return g |
| 2025-03-03 23:40:32 +0100 | <constxd> | i guess maybe this question doesn't really make sense in haskell |
| 2025-03-03 23:40:08 +0100 | <monochrom> | either that, or at call sites just "pure (f x)" without making a name for it. |
| 2025-03-03 23:39:45 +0100 | <monochrom> | I think I'll just use "pure . f" |
| 2025-03-03 23:39:32 +0100 | <constxd> | wait no |
| 2025-03-03 23:39:22 +0100 | <constxd> | foo f x = pure (f x) |
| 2025-03-03 23:38:58 +0100 | <constxd> | what might u name this function? |
| 2025-03-03 23:38:50 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-03-03 23:38:29 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> so, ummm, if i were to do a more OOP-ish appproach, I guess what I'd be looking for would be to set up data modules and do import qualified as? |
| 2025-03-03 23:37:57 +0100 | <monochrom> | OK sorry. I didn't intend it. |
| 2025-03-03 23:37:21 +0100 | <int-e> | monochrom: your condescension has been noted and is totally uncalled for |
| 2025-03-03 23:37:14 +0100 | <jackdk> | It would be cool to see you teach someday |
| 2025-03-03 23:37:07 +0100 | <monochrom> | For example, as said, either I bridge with "like C++ operator overloading" or "both Java and Haskell try to solve this same problem but they came up with different approaches because the solution has to fit with the rest of the language". |