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2026-01-18 01:57:12 +0100 <monochrom> OK OK s/unusable/indistinguishable from ()/ :)
2026-01-18 01:55:30 +0100 <monochrom> or at least a pointer to the struct of Show methods.
2026-01-18 01:54:07 +0100 <monochrom> A concrete example being: If you give me an existential value and want me to be able to use Show methods on it, then you must also give me the Show methods, lest how do I even know that I'm allowed to.
2026-01-18 01:53:52 +0100 <EvanR> sounds useful
2026-01-18 01:53:34 +0100 <EvanR> a value can have zero cost if the only possibility is that it exists i.e. ()
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2026-01-18 01:51:58 +0100 <monochrom> an easy corollary of information theory. For a value to be usable, you must pass around sufficient information, thus the non-zero cost.
2026-01-18 01:50:11 +0100 <monochrom> Existentials are zero-cost iff unusable.
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