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| 2025-02-08 04:35:26 +0100 | <monochrom> | (And also a pointer to the 3*f(2) so I don't have to search in the future when I'm ready for it. And so on so forth.) |
| 2025-02-08 04:34:42 +0100 | remedan | (~remedan@ip-62-245-108-153.bb.vodafone.cz) (Quit: Bye!) |
| 2025-02-08 04:30:50 +0100 | <monochrom> | If I don't have a stack, I just have to scan the long expression "5 * (4 * (3 * f(2)))" for the redex, f(2). This is slow, but I don't need a stack. A stack is there to save a pointer to the f(2) subexpr so I don't have to search. |
| 2025-02-08 04:29:27 +0100 | <monochrom> | A functional example goes like this. To execute f(5), it goes: f(5) -> 5 * f(4) -> 5 * (4 * f(3)) -> 5 * (4 * (3 * f(2))) -> ... |
| 2025-02-08 04:27:58 +0100 | <monochrom> | Equally well. I never assumed a fixed number. |
| 2025-02-08 04:27:29 +0100 | <geekosaur> | how well does that work for a non-fixed number of calls? |
| 2025-02-08 04:21:42 +0100 | <monochrom> | (It is still not O(1) space. Every procedure call becomes an inline expansion of the procedure text.) |
| 2025-02-08 04:19:08 +0100 | <monochrom> | Because if you don't mind a quadratic slowdown, you don't need a stack. |
| 2025-02-08 04:18:43 +0100 | <monochrom> | Have they gone one step further and go "and the stack is just an optimization"? |
| 2025-02-08 04:18:02 +0100 | <c_wraith> | I have absolutely seen some people go "oh, it's just using a stack" and never have an issue with it again. |
| 2025-02-08 04:17:08 +0100 | <monochrom> | I even go as far as making this joke. (Context: Everyone except me teach recursion by teaching how to execute by hand.) Your computer has been executing recursion for years. Has it learned anything yet? |
| 2025-02-08 04:16:42 +0100 | <c_wraith> | for some people, yes. |
| 2025-02-08 04:15:58 +0100 | <monochrom> | c_wraith: I am arrogant, I say that I am sure recursion is not more easily learned by see how to compile. In fact, has anything been made easier to learn by seeing how to compile it? |
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