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| 2025-02-03 23:52:57 +0100 | <ncf> | you can also emulate local using state (just update the state before and restore it after), so i guess there's a bit more structure here |
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| 2025-02-03 23:51:27 +0100 | <ncf> | (well, "m is a submonad of n" = "m embeds into n") |
| 2025-02-03 23:51:17 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-02-03 23:50:37 +0100 | <ncf> | oh no the definition just says monic, so embedding = submonad |
| 2025-02-03 23:49:32 +0100 | <ncf> | "state retracts onto reader" i guess |
| 2025-02-03 23:49:06 +0100 | <ncf> | i guess they mean something different; they also require a left inverse |
| 2025-02-03 23:47:52 +0100 | <ncf> | https://leventerkok.github.io/papers/erkok-thesis.pdf says embeddings instead of proper submonads (see ยง4.6) |
| 2025-02-03 23:47:07 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | oh right, preservation of pure and join is sufficient, then you automatically preserve equations on the monad operations in the domain |
| 2025-02-03 23:46:32 +0100 | <ncf> | https://hackage.haskell.org/package/mmorph-1.2.0/docs/Control-Monad-Morph.html |
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| 2025-02-03 23:46:18 +0100 | <ncf> | yes (well i just mean it's not invertible) |
| 2025-02-03 23:45:56 +0100 | <ncf> | preserves the operations (pure and join) |
| 2025-02-03 23:45:54 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | and does the "proper" in "proper submonad" mean that said monad morphism is not surjective? |
| 2025-02-03 23:45:13 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | "monad morphism" meaning "preserves the equations"? (excuse my ignorance) |