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2025-01-20 12:47:55 +0100 <kuribas> homo: what's your interest in bootsrapping?
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2025-01-20 12:20:37 +0100 <homo> also I'm not insane to get ghc working on plan9, it's much more trivial to port microhs to plan9
2025-01-20 12:19:20 +0100 <homo> __monty__ using old ghc to cleanly bootstrap modern ghc implies running ghc in x86 emulator on arm and riscv or patching every individual version of ghc to support arm and riscv
2025-01-20 12:18:07 +0100Pozyomka(~pyon@user/pyon) pyon
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2025-01-20 12:15:51 +0100 <homo> anyway, I need to spend a lot of time and energy figuring out how to add pattern guards to hugs, as yacc and imperative programming are very hard to get right
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2025-01-20 12:13:49 +0100monochrom(trebla@216.138.220.146)
2025-01-20 12:13:48 +0100 <homo> it implements tiny language in c and uses that language to recursively implement bigger subset of haskell, that is amazing bootstrap practice
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2025-01-20 12:12:57 +0100 <homo> another great example is this self-hosting haskell compiler https://github.com/blynn/compiler
2025-01-20 12:11:53 +0100 <homo> I rewrote pattern guards to make hugs happy and got entire microhs running inside hugs, even though it throws runtime exception
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2025-01-20 12:10:29 +0100 <homo> hugs has everything microhs demands except pattern guards, which are part of haskell2010
2025-01-20 12:09:46 +0100 <homo> take a look at microhs, it only demands haskell2010 (and several extentions supported by hugs), but in return implements over 50 ghc-specific extentions
2025-01-20 12:09:18 +0100 <__monty__> Well, GHC itself. Someone's been trying to get every old version of GHC building recently-ish. Presumably that'd be enough to build current GHC.
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2025-01-20 12:08:52 +0100 <homo> also self-hosting language implementation is not big of a deal if it uses subset of its own features to implement itself
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2025-01-20 12:07:37 +0100 <homo> kuribas ghc is not bootstrappable at all, there is no haskell implementation that has enough features to deal with ghc and its internal quirks
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2025-01-20 12:05:53 +0100 <homo> the bootstrappable seeds they use are https://github.com/oriansj/bootstrap-seeds and they are smaller than 500 bytes
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2025-01-20 12:04:48 +0100 <homo> __monty__ thanks, but I'm not into forth and there is already #bootstrappable channel on libera, as well as https://bootstrappable.org and https://bootstrapping.miraheze.org/