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2026-05-23 18:11:06 +0000 <davean> The amount my life would be better if the ACM hadn't existed in the 90s is immense
2026-05-23 18:10:46 +0000humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) humasect
2026-05-23 18:10:25 +0000 <[exa]> yeah that was abysmal, "become a university library pls"
2026-05-23 18:10:10 +0000 <davean> They were DEEPLY evil in the 90s
2026-05-23 18:10:01 +0000 <davean> The 90s really
2026-05-23 18:09:47 +0000 <davean> You could actually get the papers 10 years ago and they wouldn't kick out out like they were some sort of occult priesthood you had to do initation rights to talk to
2026-05-23 18:09:43 +0000 <[exa]> as in, compared to 20 years ago?
2026-05-23 18:09:12 +0000nitrix(~nitrix@user/meow/nitrix) nitrix
2026-05-23 18:09:07 +0000 <davean> 10 years ago was SO MUCH BETTER
2026-05-23 18:08:58 +0000 <davean> 10 years ago it was GREAT
2026-05-23 18:08:26 +0000 <[exa]> anyway yeah 10 years ago the paper availability was not great
2026-05-23 18:07:31 +0000 <davean> The ACM did a lot of active damage ot my life
2026-05-23 18:07:26 +0000 <[exa]> like, at least compared to the amount of horsepoop originating from certain unnamed other publishers that I have to interact with, ACM is just great
2026-05-23 18:06:47 +0000merijn(~merijn@62.45.136.136) merijn
2026-05-23 18:06:40 +0000 <davean> but maybe I can stop refusing to be involved in anything they touch
2026-05-23 18:06:27 +0000 <davean> And I'll probably never forgive them gatekeeping that knowleg
2026-05-23 18:06:11 +0000 <davean> When I was in elementry school, destitute, and actually trying to learn they were all like "Only profesionals get to learn stuff! Keep everyone out!"
2026-05-23 18:05:41 +0000 <monochrom> Yes you should hate ACM less. :)
2026-05-23 18:05:30 +0000 <davean> [exa]: Not when it would have made a life-changing difference for me they didn't!
2026-05-23 18:05:27 +0000 <[exa]> davean: sensible reflection on the fact that the computer people will simply pirate the papers otherwise
2026-05-23 18:05:10 +0000 <[exa]> davean: ACM has been kinda improving it lately, they had the free access links since forever and now it's pretty much full open
2026-05-23 18:05:07 +0000 <monochrom> There are lies, damn lies, and meaningful identifiers.
2026-05-23 18:04:54 +0000 <monochrom> Were it named "foldWithApplicative" you would not be looking for it in Data.Traversable! Names are lies!
2026-05-23 18:04:43 +0000 <davean> Sorry, I went to pull up a citation for __monty__ and ... now distracted
2026-05-23 18:04:25 +0000 <davean> "As part of the Digital Library's transition to Open Access" wait, can I stop hatting the ACM maybe finally?
2026-05-23 18:03:53 +0000 <monochrom> Heh yeah traverse_ does not even need Traversable, only Foldable, so it goes to... Data.Foldable!
2026-05-23 18:02:19 +0000 <__monty__> Sell me on traverse.
2026-05-23 18:00:53 +0000tzh(~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net)
2026-05-23 18:00:27 +0000 <[exa]> bonus points for its very clear occurrence in Data.Travers...oh wait
2026-05-23 17:59:39 +0000 <[exa]> monochrom: yeah it's not like I wouldn't had a mapM_ byt everyone keeps telling me to traverse instead of mapM yet here we are with no traverse_
2026-05-23 17:56:21 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 273 seconds)
2026-05-23 17:54:10 +0000 <davean> It pays for your gas at every step of doing what it tells you to
2026-05-23 17:52:38 +0000 <Clint> but what does a sugar monad transformer do
2026-05-23 17:51:33 +0000Lord_of_Life(~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Excess Flood)
2026-05-23 17:51:02 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn