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| 2024-12-28 05:17:50 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> homo: depends on the apps, doesn't it |
| 2024-12-28 05:17:20 +0100 | <geekosaur> | although I actually still have it and it may yet ride again: unlike at least some modern machines, it works on AC power even without a battery installed |
| 2024-12-28 05:17:07 +0100 | <homo> | so, when you need so much RAM, how much multi-tasking does your computer perform? can you keep more apps open today than you could 10 years ago? 20 years ago? |
| 2024-12-28 05:16:31 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I can't really complain much, it had a good full life until its battery finally died (nobody makes batteries for it any more, of course) |
| 2024-12-28 05:15:57 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I'm remembering my 1K ZX80 |
| 2024-12-28 05:14:53 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> which in the grand scheme of things is an amazingly powerful machine, right?! It's just you've got to have software right sized / efficient enough for the hardware |
| 2024-12-28 05:13:41 +0100 | <geekosaur> | minuscule screen |
| 2024-12-28 05:13:09 +0100 | <geekosaur> | the really extreme case was when I was temporarily limited to an old eee pc laptop. 600MHz Atom, 2GB |
| 2024-12-28 05:12:44 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> +big |
| 2024-12-28 05:12:25 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> but yes 4G isn't much for today's apps |
| 2024-12-28 05:12:12 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> * bad |
| 2024-12-28 05:12:06 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> your computer may have been running some other things as well. Also, the project you had open in VSC might have been a factor. Also, you might have been unlucky and hit a bug ? It sounds abd |
| 2024-12-28 05:11:52 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> ye I guess it's about having 64Gb ram everywhere now |
| 2024-12-28 05:11:18 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I think it's the latter |
| 2024-12-28 05:11:01 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> or it's always like running an extra browser per app |
| 2024-12-28 05:10:44 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> I'm not sure what electron apps do under the hood. Can they share resources? |
| 2024-12-28 05:10:44 +0100 | <geekosaur> | imagine chrome in 4GB, if you will |
| 2024-12-28 05:10:23 +0100 | <homo> | overloaded? I didn't even install any plugins, I ran with complete defaults |
| 2024-12-28 05:10:21 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I ripped apart a dead machine to scavenge its 16GB RAM to make a 4GB laptop I had usable |
| 2024-12-28 05:09:58 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I guess it was overloaded. I have a couple of terrific daily-use electron apps, but more memory to run them in |
| 2024-12-28 05:09:54 +0100 | <geekosaur> | 4GB i'd believe |
| 2024-12-28 05:09:47 +0100 | <homo> | back then I was doing unity game development and unity was so painfully slow I gave up |
| 2024-12-28 05:09:10 +0100 | <glguy> | useful thing* |
| 2024-12-28 05:09:09 +0100 | <homo> | or was it 8GB RAM, I really forgot as I don't have it 2 years already |
| 2024-12-28 05:09:01 +0100 | <glguy> | It's a useful to not let single events shape your whole reality |
| 2024-12-28 05:08:49 +0100 | <homo> | it was 64-bit 4GB RAM laptop |
| 2024-12-28 05:07:31 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> what kind of machine homo ? |
| 2024-12-28 05:07:23 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 05:06:58 +0100 | <homo> | I tried vscode once, I just removed 1 character in code and it got frozen for more than minute, couldn't type text at all |
| 2024-12-28 05:06:39 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I've had electron apps OOM my machine if left running overnight |
| 2024-12-28 05:06:39 +0100 | <monochrom> | OK, that's just being lame, not horrible. |
| 2024-12-28 05:06:16 +0100 | <geekosaur> | bloated, slow, leaky JS code, mostly |
| 2024-12-28 05:05:19 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> so negative! |
| 2024-12-28 05:05:08 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> electron bad! |
| 2024-12-28 05:02:52 +0100 | <monochrom> | Sorry, what is wrong with electron apps again? |
| 2024-12-28 05:01:57 +0100 | <geekosaur> | chatgpt. |
| 2024-12-28 05:01:29 +0100 | <homo> | I don't know which today's trend is the most horrible: electron apps; subscriptions; microsoft recall; microtransactions in games |
| 2024-12-28 05:00:31 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-28 04:59:46 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> probably it would be hard to make more general system though without adding lots of ambiguities |
| 2024-12-28 04:59:17 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> and that ghc extension seems to require () everywhere |
| 2024-12-28 04:59:06 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> I mean lack of prefix/postfix except - |
| 2024-12-28 04:58:42 +0100 | <homo> | also don't forget that most people use windows and macos on desktops even if gnu/linux offers them superior alternatives |
| 2024-12-28 04:58:16 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> especially the way infix operators are handled |
| 2024-12-28 04:58:08 +0100 | <geekosaur> | pandoc's actually pretty popular, but hasn't really driven much haskell adoption. then again, nobody cares what language it's written in if they're interacting with a command line program |
| 2024-12-28 04:57:45 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> but if you use parsec with template haskell probably everything is possible |
| 2024-12-28 04:57:26 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> homo: I don't think so, basic syntax is pretty restrictive |
| 2024-12-28 04:57:23 +0100 | <homo> | go empowers important projects, but is not popular |
| 2024-12-28 04:57:07 +0100 | <geekosaur> | there's at least one BASIC implementation (abusing operators and do notation) |
| 2024-12-28 04:56:55 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> if it empowers some important projects then it would become more popular |
| 2024-12-28 04:56:46 +0100 | housemate | (~housemate@pa49-199-79-186.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au) (Remote host closed the connection) |