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| 2024-12-28 04:29:01 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-28 04:28:48 +0100 | Sisyphean | (~Sisyphean@user/Sisyphean) Sisyphean |
| 2024-12-28 04:27:59 +0100 | <homo> | symlinks, sockets, ioctl() and many other things you find in linux and bsd are considered harmful, plan9 has replacement for them, on top of that instead of dbus and env variables like EDITOR there is plumber (is this punchline on unix pipes?) |
| 2024-12-28 04:27:14 +0100 | Sisyphean | (~Sisyphean@user/Sisyphean) (Leaving) |
| 2024-12-28 04:26:35 +0100 | notzmv | (~umar@user/notzmv) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 04:25:44 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | I'll read those papers, appreciate it |
| 2024-12-28 04:25:30 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | ok |
| 2024-12-28 04:24:52 +0100 | <homo> | 0718051824/http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/good_bad_ugly/ |
| 2024-12-28 04:24:52 +0100 | <homo> | https://web.archive.org/web/20240922064812/https://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/ I recommend to read at the very least introduction papers, then https://web.archive.org/web/20240522195315/http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/3rd_edition/rio/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240303195542/http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/concurrent_window_system/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240521085627/http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/transparent_wsys/ https://web.archive.org/web/2024 |
| 2024-12-28 04:24:12 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | talking about it before clearly did shit |
| 2024-12-28 04:22:49 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | net neutrality, etc |
| 2024-12-28 04:22:31 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | people have been doing that for 50 years lol |
| 2024-12-28 04:22:26 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | but it's easy to just talk about it |
| 2024-12-28 04:21:10 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | internet is too centralized now |
| 2024-12-28 04:20:34 +0100 | <homo> | this is tour of acme, plan9's ide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP1xVpMPn8M |
| 2024-12-28 04:20:01 +0100 | housemate | (~housemate@pa49-183-76-50.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 04:19:28 +0100 | <homo> | you can find research papers from cat-v.org, but that site is currently down |
| 2024-12-28 04:19:03 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | appreciate you explaining it |
| 2024-12-28 04:18:47 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | ok I guess that's a good thing |
| 2024-12-28 04:18:45 +0100 | <homo> | that is, you don't need ipv6 to eliminate nat |
| 2024-12-28 04:18:25 +0100 | <homo> | if your router runs plan9, you can bind its /net to /net of your laptop and get access to internet without nat |
| 2024-12-28 04:18:05 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 04:16:55 +0100 | <homo> | for example, there is file /dev/audio , it can be provided by kernel, by sound server and even by remote machine, but to your programs it looks like local file |
| 2024-12-28 04:15:48 +0100 | <homo> | well, think about them as namespaces in programming languages |
| 2024-12-28 04:15:13 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | amazing |
| 2024-12-28 04:14:57 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | so like hierarchy? |
| 2024-12-28 04:14:51 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | never heard that before |
| 2024-12-28 04:14:45 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | yeah namespaces. |
| 2024-12-28 04:13:15 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-28 04:11:42 +0100 | <homo> | it's possible because of namespaces |
| 2024-12-28 04:10:58 +0100 | <homo> | transparent in the sense of network transparency |
| 2024-12-28 04:09:36 +0100 | Katarushisu | (~Katarushi@finc-20-b2-v4wan-169598-cust1799.vm7.cable.virginm.net) Katarushisu |
| 2024-12-28 04:09:30 +0100 | housemate | (~housemate@pa49-183-76-50.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au) housemate |
| 2024-12-28 04:09:18 +0100 | Katarushisu | (~Katarushi@finc-20-b2-v4wan-169598-cust1799.vm7.cable.virginm.net) (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)) |
| 2024-12-28 04:09:14 +0100 | emmanuelux | (~emmanuelu@user/emmanuelux) emmanuelux |
| 2024-12-28 04:07:54 +0100 | <geekosaur> | yep |
| 2024-12-28 04:07:50 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | is that Hamlet? |
| 2024-12-28 04:07:45 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | geekosaur, wow |
| 2024-12-28 04:07:41 +0100 | <homo> | transparent window system, not transparent window |
| 2024-12-28 04:07:24 +0100 | <geekosaur> | "there are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy" |
| 2024-12-28 04:07:15 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 04:07:11 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | transparent window? |
| 2024-12-28 04:06:41 +0100 | <homo> | 3 ideas from which everything is build - transparent window and sound systems, vpn, containers, cloud, etc. |
| 2024-12-28 04:06:39 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | ok good to know I'm not alone in thinking the future was written 40 years ago. I will read more about plan9, I obviously misjudged. |
| 2024-12-28 04:05:37 +0100 | <homo> | Sisyphean yes, and from the beginning it has features that make it more advanced than other operating systems, even on gnu/linux I still use plan9port because I don't know of replacement other than inferno-os |
| 2024-12-28 04:03:52 +0100 | l_k | (~student@85.172.76.246) |
| 2024-12-28 04:03:26 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | homo: do you think it can catch up? |
| 2024-12-28 04:03:05 +0100 | <homo> | more than 30 years of tyrant license and it is finally under mit license |
| 2024-12-28 04:02:57 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-28 04:02:30 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | diff strokes for diff folks. long live the many-languages-many-paradigms approach |