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| 2024-12-28 04:55:09 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> especially given libs that overload various weird letter salad as operators. |
| 2024-12-28 04:55:01 +0100 | Sisyphean | (~Sisyphean@user/Sisyphean) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2024-12-28 04:54:29 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> I'm not sure it's cleaner than python. |
| 2024-12-28 04:54:19 +0100 | <homo> | but there are no aggressive ads for haskell |
| 2024-12-28 04:54:15 +0100 | talismanick | (~user@2601:644:937c:ed10::ae5) talismanick |
| 2024-12-28 04:54:10 +0100 | <homo> | on java and c# side too much marketing happenned, and rust is not different in safety propaganda |
| 2024-12-28 04:53:26 +0100 | <homo> | and haskell doesn't look to them as cleaner version of python... |
| 2024-12-28 04:52:37 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> I dunno, to me it seems pretty conceptually alien to people who started programming with C/python/basic etc |
| 2024-12-28 04:52:03 +0100 | housemate | (~housemate@pa49-199-79-186.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au) housemate |
| 2024-12-28 04:51:54 +0100 | <homo> | then why haskell is less popular than rust, java, c#? |
| 2024-12-28 04:51:36 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> all in all there's so much stuff happening there that it's hard to find a single reason |
| 2024-12-28 04:51:06 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> that's why it's only one of reasons |
| 2024-12-28 04:50:58 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> Marketing total trash isn't worthwhile in most cases anyway. |
| 2024-12-28 04:49:57 +0100 | <homo> | but jvm became popular because of marketing |
| 2024-12-28 04:49:34 +0100 | <homo> | for example, this is why dis is better than jvm https://web.archive.org/web/20240521004107/http://doc.cat-v.org/inferno/4th_edition/dis_VM_design |
| 2024-12-28 04:49:06 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 04:48:30 +0100 | <homo> | loonycyborg don't most thing become popular because of marketing? |
| 2024-12-28 04:48:05 +0100 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 04:47:42 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | sounds reasonable |
| 2024-12-28 04:47:14 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> therefore if you're chasing trends then you're always a distant second :P |
| 2024-12-28 04:46:17 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> majority isn't a hive mind and things change all the time |
| 2024-12-28 04:46:09 +0100 | <homo> | programming as hobby is so much better than programming as profession, a lot of flexibility to do things differently, to choose tools that suit you best |
| 2024-12-28 04:45:38 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> things become popular only because someone starts to tinker with them. |
| 2024-12-28 04:44:41 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-28 04:43:07 +0100 | <homo> | so, recommendation is throw your fears away and have fun thinking from perspectives that contradicts choices of majority, choose to do something that is not popular because it's fun to do |
| 2024-12-28 04:38:36 +0100 | <homo> | well, personally I'm having fun being different than everyone else |
| 2024-12-28 04:37:59 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | what's the answer |
| 2024-12-28 04:37:59 +0100 | td_ | (~td@i5387093F.versanet.de) td_ |
| 2024-12-28 04:37:53 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | so what do you recommend? |
| 2024-12-28 04:37:19 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | homo: true |
| 2024-12-28 04:36:27 +0100 | td_ | (~td@i53870935.versanet.de) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 04:34:29 +0100 | <homo> | "I'm not alone in thinking the future was written 40 years ago." it's because software systems research is abandoned, today we have companies milking money out of ads and microtransactions with users, nobody wants to pay for doing further systems research |
| 2024-12-28 04:33:25 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 04:32:02 +0100 | hueso | (~root@user/hueso) hueso |
| 2024-12-28 04:31:37 +0100 | hueso | (~root@user/hueso) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 04:29:59 +0100 | <homo> | btw, if you like jokes, in plan9 there are manpages for vi(1) and emacs(1) |
| 2024-12-28 04:29:01 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-28 04:28:48 +0100 | Sisyphean | (~Sisyphean@user/Sisyphean) Sisyphean |
| 2024-12-28 04:27:59 +0100 | <homo> | symlinks, sockets, ioctl() and many other things you find in linux and bsd are considered harmful, plan9 has replacement for them, on top of that instead of dbus and env variables like EDITOR there is plumber (is this punchline on unix pipes?) |
| 2024-12-28 04:27:14 +0100 | Sisyphean | (~Sisyphean@user/Sisyphean) (Leaving) |
| 2024-12-28 04:26:35 +0100 | notzmv | (~umar@user/notzmv) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 04:25:44 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | I'll read those papers, appreciate it |
| 2024-12-28 04:25:30 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | ok |
| 2024-12-28 04:24:52 +0100 | <homo> | 0718051824/http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/good_bad_ugly/ |
| 2024-12-28 04:24:52 +0100 | <homo> | https://web.archive.org/web/20240922064812/https://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/ I recommend to read at the very least introduction papers, then https://web.archive.org/web/20240522195315/http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/3rd_edition/rio/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240303195542/http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/concurrent_window_system/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240521085627/http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/transparent_wsys/ https://web.archive.org/web/2024 |
| 2024-12-28 04:24:12 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | talking about it before clearly did shit |
| 2024-12-28 04:22:49 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | net neutrality, etc |
| 2024-12-28 04:22:31 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | people have been doing that for 50 years lol |
| 2024-12-28 04:22:26 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | but it's easy to just talk about it |
| 2024-12-28 04:21:10 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | internet is too centralized now |