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| 2024-12-28 04:46:17 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> majority isn't a hive mind and things change all the time |
| 2024-12-28 04:46:09 +0100 | <homo> | programming as hobby is so much better than programming as profession, a lot of flexibility to do things differently, to choose tools that suit you best |
| 2024-12-28 04:45:38 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> things become popular only because someone starts to tinker with them. |
| 2024-12-28 04:44:41 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-28 04:43:07 +0100 | <homo> | so, recommendation is throw your fears away and have fun thinking from perspectives that contradicts choices of majority, choose to do something that is not popular because it's fun to do |
| 2024-12-28 04:38:36 +0100 | <homo> | well, personally I'm having fun being different than everyone else |
| 2024-12-28 04:37:59 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | what's the answer |
| 2024-12-28 04:37:59 +0100 | td_ | (~td@i5387093F.versanet.de) td_ |
| 2024-12-28 04:37:53 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | so what do you recommend? |
| 2024-12-28 04:37:19 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | homo: true |
| 2024-12-28 04:36:27 +0100 | td_ | (~td@i53870935.versanet.de) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 04:34:29 +0100 | <homo> | "I'm not alone in thinking the future was written 40 years ago." it's because software systems research is abandoned, today we have companies milking money out of ads and microtransactions with users, nobody wants to pay for doing further systems research |
| 2024-12-28 04:33:25 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 04:32:02 +0100 | hueso | (~root@user/hueso) hueso |
| 2024-12-28 04:31:37 +0100 | hueso | (~root@user/hueso) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 04:29:59 +0100 | <homo> | btw, if you like jokes, in plan9 there are manpages for vi(1) and emacs(1) |
| 2024-12-28 04:29:01 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-28 04:28:48 +0100 | Sisyphean | (~Sisyphean@user/Sisyphean) Sisyphean |
| 2024-12-28 04:27:59 +0100 | <homo> | symlinks, sockets, ioctl() and many other things you find in linux and bsd are considered harmful, plan9 has replacement for them, on top of that instead of dbus and env variables like EDITOR there is plumber (is this punchline on unix pipes?) |
| 2024-12-28 04:27:14 +0100 | Sisyphean | (~Sisyphean@user/Sisyphean) (Leaving) |
| 2024-12-28 04:26:35 +0100 | notzmv | (~umar@user/notzmv) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 04:25:44 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | I'll read those papers, appreciate it |
| 2024-12-28 04:25:30 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | ok |
| 2024-12-28 04:24:52 +0100 | <homo> | 0718051824/http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/good_bad_ugly/ |
| 2024-12-28 04:24:52 +0100 | <homo> | https://web.archive.org/web/20240922064812/https://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/ I recommend to read at the very least introduction papers, then https://web.archive.org/web/20240522195315/http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/3rd_edition/rio/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240303195542/http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/concurrent_window_system/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240521085627/http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/transparent_wsys/ https://web.archive.org/web/2024 |
| 2024-12-28 04:24:12 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | talking about it before clearly did shit |
| 2024-12-28 04:22:49 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | net neutrality, etc |
| 2024-12-28 04:22:31 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | people have been doing that for 50 years lol |
| 2024-12-28 04:22:26 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | but it's easy to just talk about it |
| 2024-12-28 04:21:10 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | internet is too centralized now |
| 2024-12-28 04:20:34 +0100 | <homo> | this is tour of acme, plan9's ide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP1xVpMPn8M |
| 2024-12-28 04:20:01 +0100 | housemate | (~housemate@pa49-183-76-50.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 04:19:28 +0100 | <homo> | you can find research papers from cat-v.org, but that site is currently down |
| 2024-12-28 04:19:03 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | appreciate you explaining it |
| 2024-12-28 04:18:47 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | ok I guess that's a good thing |
| 2024-12-28 04:18:45 +0100 | <homo> | that is, you don't need ipv6 to eliminate nat |
| 2024-12-28 04:18:25 +0100 | <homo> | if your router runs plan9, you can bind its /net to /net of your laptop and get access to internet without nat |
| 2024-12-28 04:18:05 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 04:16:55 +0100 | <homo> | for example, there is file /dev/audio , it can be provided by kernel, by sound server and even by remote machine, but to your programs it looks like local file |
| 2024-12-28 04:15:48 +0100 | <homo> | well, think about them as namespaces in programming languages |
| 2024-12-28 04:15:13 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | amazing |
| 2024-12-28 04:14:57 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | so like hierarchy? |
| 2024-12-28 04:14:51 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | never heard that before |
| 2024-12-28 04:14:45 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | yeah namespaces. |
| 2024-12-28 04:13:15 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-28 04:11:42 +0100 | <homo> | it's possible because of namespaces |
| 2024-12-28 04:10:58 +0100 | <homo> | transparent in the sense of network transparency |
| 2024-12-28 04:09:36 +0100 | Katarushisu | (~Katarushi@finc-20-b2-v4wan-169598-cust1799.vm7.cable.virginm.net) Katarushisu |
| 2024-12-28 04:09:30 +0100 | housemate | (~housemate@pa49-183-76-50.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au) housemate |
| 2024-12-28 04:09:18 +0100 | Katarushisu | (~Katarushi@finc-20-b2-v4wan-169598-cust1799.vm7.cable.virginm.net) (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)) |