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| 2024-12-28 05:05:19 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> so negative! |
| 2024-12-28 05:05:08 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> electron bad! |
| 2024-12-28 05:02:52 +0100 | <monochrom> | Sorry, what is wrong with electron apps again? |
| 2024-12-28 05:01:57 +0100 | <geekosaur> | chatgpt. |
| 2024-12-28 05:01:29 +0100 | <homo> | I don't know which today's trend is the most horrible: electron apps; subscriptions; microsoft recall; microtransactions in games |
| 2024-12-28 05:00:31 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-28 04:59:46 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> probably it would be hard to make more general system though without adding lots of ambiguities |
| 2024-12-28 04:59:17 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> and that ghc extension seems to require () everywhere |
| 2024-12-28 04:59:06 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> I mean lack of prefix/postfix except - |
| 2024-12-28 04:58:42 +0100 | <homo> | also don't forget that most people use windows and macos on desktops even if gnu/linux offers them superior alternatives |
| 2024-12-28 04:58:16 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> especially the way infix operators are handled |
| 2024-12-28 04:58:08 +0100 | <geekosaur> | pandoc's actually pretty popular, but hasn't really driven much haskell adoption. then again, nobody cares what language it's written in if they're interacting with a command line program |
| 2024-12-28 04:57:45 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> but if you use parsec with template haskell probably everything is possible |
| 2024-12-28 04:57:26 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> homo: I don't think so, basic syntax is pretty restrictive |
| 2024-12-28 04:57:23 +0100 | <homo> | go empowers important projects, but is not popular |
| 2024-12-28 04:57:07 +0100 | <geekosaur> | there's at least one BASIC implementation (abusing operators and do notation) |
| 2024-12-28 04:56:55 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> if it empowers some important projects then it would become more popular |
| 2024-12-28 04:56:46 +0100 | housemate | (~housemate@pa49-199-79-186.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-12-28 04:56:38 +0100 | <homo> | hah, you can tell that you can make haskell look like any language because of operators |
| 2024-12-28 04:56:38 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> but it's not matter of language itself but who uses it. |
| 2024-12-28 04:55:09 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> especially given libs that overload various weird letter salad as operators. |
| 2024-12-28 04:55:01 +0100 | Sisyphean | (~Sisyphean@user/Sisyphean) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2024-12-28 04:54:29 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> I'm not sure it's cleaner than python. |
| 2024-12-28 04:54:19 +0100 | <homo> | but there are no aggressive ads for haskell |
| 2024-12-28 04:54:15 +0100 | talismanick | (~user@2601:644:937c:ed10::ae5) talismanick |
| 2024-12-28 04:54:10 +0100 | <homo> | on java and c# side too much marketing happenned, and rust is not different in safety propaganda |
| 2024-12-28 04:53:26 +0100 | <homo> | and haskell doesn't look to them as cleaner version of python... |
| 2024-12-28 04:52:37 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> I dunno, to me it seems pretty conceptually alien to people who started programming with C/python/basic etc |
| 2024-12-28 04:52:03 +0100 | housemate | (~housemate@pa49-199-79-186.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au) housemate |
| 2024-12-28 04:51:54 +0100 | <homo> | then why haskell is less popular than rust, java, c#? |
| 2024-12-28 04:51:36 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> all in all there's so much stuff happening there that it's hard to find a single reason |
| 2024-12-28 04:51:06 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> that's why it's only one of reasons |
| 2024-12-28 04:50:58 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> Marketing total trash isn't worthwhile in most cases anyway. |
| 2024-12-28 04:49:57 +0100 | <homo> | but jvm became popular because of marketing |
| 2024-12-28 04:49:34 +0100 | <homo> | for example, this is why dis is better than jvm https://web.archive.org/web/20240521004107/http://doc.cat-v.org/inferno/4th_edition/dis_VM_design |
| 2024-12-28 04:49:06 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 04:48:30 +0100 | <homo> | loonycyborg don't most thing become popular because of marketing? |
| 2024-12-28 04:48:05 +0100 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 04:47:42 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | sounds reasonable |
| 2024-12-28 04:47:14 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> therefore if you're chasing trends then you're always a distant second :P |
| 2024-12-28 04:46:17 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> majority isn't a hive mind and things change all the time |
| 2024-12-28 04:46:09 +0100 | <homo> | programming as hobby is so much better than programming as profession, a lot of flexibility to do things differently, to choose tools that suit you best |
| 2024-12-28 04:45:38 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> things become popular only because someone starts to tinker with them. |
| 2024-12-28 04:44:41 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-28 04:43:07 +0100 | <homo> | so, recommendation is throw your fears away and have fun thinking from perspectives that contradicts choices of majority, choose to do something that is not popular because it's fun to do |
| 2024-12-28 04:38:36 +0100 | <homo> | well, personally I'm having fun being different than everyone else |
| 2024-12-28 04:37:59 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | what's the answer |
| 2024-12-28 04:37:59 +0100 | td_ | (~td@i5387093F.versanet.de) td_ |
| 2024-12-28 04:37:53 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | so what do you recommend? |
| 2024-12-28 04:37:19 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | homo: true |