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| 2024-12-28 05:01:57 +0100 | <geekosaur> | chatgpt. |
| 2024-12-28 05:01:29 +0100 | <homo> | I don't know which today's trend is the most horrible: electron apps; subscriptions; microsoft recall; microtransactions in games |
| 2024-12-28 05:00:31 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-28 04:59:46 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> probably it would be hard to make more general system though without adding lots of ambiguities |
| 2024-12-28 04:59:17 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> and that ghc extension seems to require () everywhere |
| 2024-12-28 04:59:06 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> I mean lack of prefix/postfix except - |
| 2024-12-28 04:58:42 +0100 | <homo> | also don't forget that most people use windows and macos on desktops even if gnu/linux offers them superior alternatives |
| 2024-12-28 04:58:16 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> especially the way infix operators are handled |
| 2024-12-28 04:58:08 +0100 | <geekosaur> | pandoc's actually pretty popular, but hasn't really driven much haskell adoption. then again, nobody cares what language it's written in if they're interacting with a command line program |
| 2024-12-28 04:57:45 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> but if you use parsec with template haskell probably everything is possible |
| 2024-12-28 04:57:26 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> homo: I don't think so, basic syntax is pretty restrictive |
| 2024-12-28 04:57:23 +0100 | <homo> | go empowers important projects, but is not popular |
| 2024-12-28 04:57:07 +0100 | <geekosaur> | there's at least one BASIC implementation (abusing operators and do notation) |
| 2024-12-28 04:56:55 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> if it empowers some important projects then it would become more popular |
| 2024-12-28 04:56:46 +0100 | housemate | (~housemate@pa49-199-79-186.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-12-28 04:56:38 +0100 | <homo> | hah, you can tell that you can make haskell look like any language because of operators |
| 2024-12-28 04:56:38 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> but it's not matter of language itself but who uses it. |
| 2024-12-28 04:55:09 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> especially given libs that overload various weird letter salad as operators. |
| 2024-12-28 04:55:01 +0100 | Sisyphean | (~Sisyphean@user/Sisyphean) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2024-12-28 04:54:29 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> I'm not sure it's cleaner than python. |
| 2024-12-28 04:54:19 +0100 | <homo> | but there are no aggressive ads for haskell |
| 2024-12-28 04:54:15 +0100 | talismanick | (~user@2601:644:937c:ed10::ae5) talismanick |
| 2024-12-28 04:54:10 +0100 | <homo> | on java and c# side too much marketing happenned, and rust is not different in safety propaganda |
| 2024-12-28 04:53:26 +0100 | <homo> | and haskell doesn't look to them as cleaner version of python... |
| 2024-12-28 04:52:37 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> I dunno, to me it seems pretty conceptually alien to people who started programming with C/python/basic etc |
| 2024-12-28 04:52:03 +0100 | housemate | (~housemate@pa49-199-79-186.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au) housemate |
| 2024-12-28 04:51:54 +0100 | <homo> | then why haskell is less popular than rust, java, c#? |
| 2024-12-28 04:51:36 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> all in all there's so much stuff happening there that it's hard to find a single reason |
| 2024-12-28 04:51:06 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> that's why it's only one of reasons |
| 2024-12-28 04:50:58 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> Marketing total trash isn't worthwhile in most cases anyway. |
| 2024-12-28 04:49:57 +0100 | <homo> | but jvm became popular because of marketing |
| 2024-12-28 04:49:34 +0100 | <homo> | for example, this is why dis is better than jvm https://web.archive.org/web/20240521004107/http://doc.cat-v.org/inferno/4th_edition/dis_VM_design |
| 2024-12-28 04:49:06 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 04:48:30 +0100 | <homo> | loonycyborg don't most thing become popular because of marketing? |
| 2024-12-28 04:48:05 +0100 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 04:47:42 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | sounds reasonable |
| 2024-12-28 04:47:14 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> therefore if you're chasing trends then you're always a distant second :P |
| 2024-12-28 04:46:17 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> majority isn't a hive mind and things change all the time |
| 2024-12-28 04:46:09 +0100 | <homo> | programming as hobby is so much better than programming as profession, a lot of flexibility to do things differently, to choose tools that suit you best |
| 2024-12-28 04:45:38 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> things become popular only because someone starts to tinker with them. |
| 2024-12-28 04:44:41 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-28 04:43:07 +0100 | <homo> | so, recommendation is throw your fears away and have fun thinking from perspectives that contradicts choices of majority, choose to do something that is not popular because it's fun to do |
| 2024-12-28 04:38:36 +0100 | <homo> | well, personally I'm having fun being different than everyone else |
| 2024-12-28 04:37:59 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | what's the answer |
| 2024-12-28 04:37:59 +0100 | td_ | (~td@i5387093F.versanet.de) td_ |
| 2024-12-28 04:37:53 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | so what do you recommend? |
| 2024-12-28 04:37:19 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | homo: true |
| 2024-12-28 04:36:27 +0100 | td_ | (~td@i53870935.versanet.de) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 04:34:29 +0100 | <homo> | "I'm not alone in thinking the future was written 40 years ago." it's because software systems research is abandoned, today we have companies milking money out of ads and microtransactions with users, nobody wants to pay for doing further systems research |
| 2024-12-28 04:33:25 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |