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| 2024-12-28 03:18:10 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> * variable at runtime, |
| 2024-12-28 03:18:00 +0100 | <homo> | I like when language's syntax is very clean, haskell's syntax makes sense only to functional programming, prolog's syntax makes sense only to logic programming |
| 2024-12-28 03:17:56 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> in C++ you'd never have trouble getting a compile time variable, unlike haskell with its dependent types that are coming tomorrow :P |
| 2024-12-28 03:17:20 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> I like template metaprogramming in C++ |
| 2024-12-28 03:17:06 +0100 | <geekosaur> | PL/I never quite dies, does it? |
| 2024-12-28 03:17:00 +0100 | <homo> | hell, try functional programming in C++ or java or javascript |
| 2024-12-28 03:16:42 +0100 | Tuplanolla | (~Tuplanoll@91-159-69-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi) (Quit: Leaving.) |
| 2024-12-28 03:16:42 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 03:16:41 +0100 | <homo> | try functional programming in rust and compare it to haskell, which one is cleaner to the eyes? |
| 2024-12-28 03:15:38 +0100 | <homo> | Sisyphean multi-paradigm programming languages are very clumsy, because they absorb features from every other language, they have very detailed hard to read and write syntax, it is harder to make consistent API with them and hard to work with other projects |
| 2024-12-28 03:15:37 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I gave up on x86 back in the i386 days, never mind modern x86_64 |
| 2024-12-28 03:14:58 +0100 | <geekosaur> | hell, you can bang bits. doesn't mean it's a good idea |
| 2024-12-28 03:12:21 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> after that it's matter of taste how many abstraction layers over that you'd apply |
| 2024-12-28 03:11:58 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <loonycyborg> you can accomplish something meaningful even with direct use of assembly |
| 2024-12-28 03:11:15 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | homo: Isn't that similar to logical positivism? It seems like you're suggesting that you only need a small subset of modern languages to accomplish anything meaningful. |
| 2024-12-28 03:09:37 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-28 03:09:18 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (objc seemed to me like it wanted to be smalltalk) |
| 2024-12-28 03:08:15 +0100 | <geekosaur> | most of that, though, has stuck to C-but… languages (C++ in particular but also Objective-C) |
| 2024-12-28 03:08:04 +0100 | <homo> | still, it is much smaller than both C++ and rust, those 2 languages are feature creeps that say "yes" to every feature request |
| 2024-12-28 03:07:48 +0100 | talismanick | (~user@2601:644:937c:ed10::ae5) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-12-28 03:07:20 +0100 | <geekosaur> | ansi C… has grown a bit, and occasionally of late has turf wars with C++ |
| 2024-12-28 03:07:20 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 03:06:52 +0100 | <geekosaur> | early pcc certainly didn't |
| 2024-12-28 03:06:04 +0100 | <homo> | geekosaur does C offer a lot of features from other programming paradigms making it difficult to choose which features to use and work with other projects? |
| 2024-12-28 03:04:22 +0100 | <homo> | there used to be HOUSE as attempt to have operating system in haskell, but it used way too much cbits in its source code |
| 2024-12-28 03:04:17 +0100 | <geekosaur> | if not earlier |
| 2024-12-28 03:04:03 +0100 | <geekosaur> | C hasn't been minimal since early pcc |
| 2024-12-28 03:03:56 +0100 | <homo> | I guess the main difference between haskell and rust is that in rust you can write entire operating system kernel |
| 2024-12-28 03:03:43 +0100 | <c_wraith> | C is a lot less "minimal" thank people think. |
| 2024-12-28 03:02:28 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-28 03:01:40 +0100 | <homo> | C is very minimal language, both C++ and rust are extremely bloated, too much language features |
| 2024-12-28 03:01:02 +0100 | sayurc | (~sayurc@169.150.203.34) sayurc |
| 2024-12-28 03:00:49 +0100 | <geekosaur> | please, no. C+ maybe. no templates and thank whoever's in charge for that |
| 2024-12-28 03:00:05 +0100 | <homo> | or rather C+++ with more safety |
| 2024-12-28 02:59:41 +0100 | <geekosaur> | people insist C is the fastest. rust offers those people the speed of C with more safety |
| 2024-12-28 02:58:28 +0100 | <homo> | I don't understand hype behind rust, is it because haskell is not loudly advertized as safe language? |
| 2024-12-28 02:56:49 +0100 | <homo> | won't be surprising if part of gtk is already in rust |
| 2024-12-28 02:56:28 +0100 | <homo> | gnome is a combination of C, css, javascript and rust... |
| 2024-12-28 02:54:41 +0100 | <lambdabot> | these nods of agreement. "Well, I've found a new language that solves that problem." Audience: "Ooooh! How?" Me: "There's no variables!" And then they all start moving away from me slowly.... |
| 2024-12-28 02:54:41 +0100 | <lambdabot> | cjs says: I have to explain this shit to people. I mean, I start out right, "Hey, you know how you always have these bugs because what you thought was in the variable is not there?" And I get all of |
| 2024-12-28 02:54:41 +0100 | <int-e> | @quote o.v.r.a.l |
| 2024-12-28 02:54:01 +0100 | <geekosaur> | although I'll cop to the 60s comment 🙂 |
| 2024-12-28 02:53:46 +0100 | <geekosaur> | may I note that Gtk is C? |
| 2024-12-28 02:53:34 +0100 | <homo> | Sisyphean you'd be surprised to learn how young they were in company I worked for |
| 2024-12-28 02:53:08 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | that's surprising ... hm |
| 2024-12-28 02:53:01 +0100 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-12-28 02:52:41 +0100 | <homo> | I even had a co-worker who asked me "if in haskell you don't type ';' in your code, how do you separate statements?" :D |
| 2024-12-28 02:51:43 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | aren't the majority of them now in their 60s and 70s? |
| 2024-12-28 02:51:33 +0100 | <Sisyphean> | homo: how many C/C++ programmers even exist now? |
| 2024-12-28 02:50:07 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |