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| 2024-11-07 00:47:06 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2024-11-07 00:44:17 +0100 | <sshine> | well, it ain't 0x20 or 0x30, but it's a pretty number. :) |
| 2024-11-07 00:42:24 +0100 | acidjnk | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e7283f63c008ff7276864804.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2024-11-07 00:42:23 +0100 | <sshine> | apparently I'm not as ancient as the IO monad after all |
| 2024-11-07 00:42:12 +0100 | <sshine> | https://okmij.org/ftp/Computation/IO-monad-history.html |
| 2024-11-07 00:42:07 +0100 | <int-e> | sshine: so how do you feel about turning ancient next year *runs* |
| 2024-11-07 00:41:44 +0100 | <dolio> | I mean, that would make somse sense, because Haskell was essentially Miranda with a few tweaks. |
| 2024-11-07 00:41:13 +0100 | <sshine> | I was born that year! |
| 2024-11-07 00:41:00 +0100 | <dolio> | In '85, though? |
| 2024-11-07 00:40:56 +0100 | <sshine> | Inst, I understand that IO came to Haskell at some later point. |
| 2024-11-07 00:40:33 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Miranda has a sys_message ADT, main uses a list of that |
| 2024-11-07 00:39:52 +0100 | kstatz12 | (~karl@user/kstatz12) (Client Quit) |
| 2024-11-07 00:39:31 +0100 | <dolio> | I'm curious what Miranda did, but I can't find my copy of the manual. |
| 2024-11-07 00:38:54 +0100 | SlackCoder | (~SlackCode@64-94-63-8.ip.weststar.net.ky) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2024-11-07 00:38:42 +0100 | <int-e> | Anyway, the lesson here is that languages evolve, so dates of conception can be misleading. |
| 2024-11-07 00:38:14 +0100 | int-e | shrugs |
| 2024-11-07 00:38:12 +0100 | <int-e> | 1992 CLEAN still had rules, 1994 CLEAN started to look more like Haskell. |
| 2024-11-07 00:38:09 +0100 | kstatz12 | (~karl@user/kstatz12) kstatz12 |
| 2024-11-07 00:35:12 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-11-07 00:31:51 +0100 | <Inst> | so then you can argue that Haskell had the first effect system |
| 2024-11-07 00:31:22 +0100 | <Inst> | I think you can consider IO in Haskell a very primitive / early effect system, but I don't think you can say the same for Clean's uniqueness types, which seem to be a more of linearity |
| 2024-11-07 00:30:40 +0100 | pavonia | (~user@user/siracusa) siracusa |
| 2024-11-07 00:28:36 +0100 | visilii | (~visilii@85.172.77.90) |
| 2024-11-07 00:27:43 +0100 | visilii | (~visilii@85.172.77.90) (Client Quit) |
| 2024-11-07 00:27:38 +0100 | <probie> | I think `UNQ` in early Clean appears slightly before monadic IO in early Haskell, since the first monadic IO paper that's been found so far references the Clean one. |
| 2024-11-07 00:27:18 +0100 | Everything | (~Everythin@178-133-140-206.mobile.vf-ua.net) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-11-07 00:26:52 +0100 | CrunchyFlakes | (~CrunchyFl@31.19.233.78) |
| 2024-11-07 00:26:42 +0100 | CrunchyFlakes | (~CrunchyFl@ip1f13e94e.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2024-11-07 00:26:36 +0100 | <Rembane> | I need the languages EAN, AN and N too. |
| 2024-11-07 00:26:12 +0100 | <int-e> | Hmm 1988 has a related language called LEAN? Hehe. |
| 2024-11-07 00:25:57 +0100 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) L29Ah |
| 2024-11-07 00:25:44 +0100 | <dolio> | Not just strings. |
| 2024-11-07 00:25:22 +0100 | <dolio> | Sort of. But the types are more complex, I think. |
| 2024-11-07 00:25:20 +0100 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich |
| 2024-11-07 00:24:54 +0100 | <Rembane> | Isn't that how very early Haskell did I/O? |
| 2024-11-07 00:24:24 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2024-11-07 00:24:20 +0100 | <int-e> | stdin was provided as a list of newline-terminated lines. So it's the main :: [String] -> [String] type of I/O. |
| 2024-11-07 00:23:48 +0100 | <probie> | https://www.mbsd.cs.ru.nl/publications/papers/1992/achp92-HighLevelIO.pdf 1992 seems to be where IO appears in Clear |
| 2024-11-07 00:23:34 +0100 | visilii | (~visilii@85.172.77.90) |
| 2024-11-07 00:23:16 +0100 | visilii | (~visilii@85.172.77.90) (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in) |
| 2024-11-07 00:22:41 +0100 | <int-e> | cf. https://wiki.clean.cs.ru.nl/Publications#1987 |
| 2024-11-07 00:22:12 +0100 | <int-e> | "Consequently, a Clean program consists of a set of rewrite rules." -- 1987 Clean was a language for expressing graph rewriting systems. |
| 2024-11-07 00:19:48 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-11-07 00:17:46 +0100 | <Rembane> | How does Clean before Haskell handle IO? |
| 2024-11-07 00:17:21 +0100 | unlucy | (sid572875@user/unlucy) unlucy |
| 2024-11-07 00:16:02 +0100 | <Inst> | Clean predates Haskell, interestingly enough. |
| 2024-11-07 00:15:10 +0100 | <dolio> | It's like every IO operation has (>>=) stuck onto it already, and maybe catch. |
| 2024-11-07 00:13:59 +0100 | <dolio> | Even the 1.0 report has the continuation based I/O which, if you looked at it today, you might figure out it could be factored into a monad. |
| 2024-11-07 00:12:20 +0100 | <Rembane> | It must've been a real trip to talk to him |
| 2024-11-07 00:10:12 +0100 | <dolio> | Ah, of course. |