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| 2024-11-06 21:31:46 +0100 | alphazone | (~alphazone@2.219.56.221) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
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| 2024-11-06 21:12:19 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> PSA: Unlike most haskell services, hoogle.haskell.org is slower outside the US (eg 1s response time in Europe instead of 1/4s). If you'd like to make it faster, improve its rudimentary web app, eg to provide good caching headers ! |
| 2024-11-06 21:11:43 +0100 | <dolio> | Panic sounds like a synonym for error. I know what that is. |
| 2024-11-06 21:10:43 +0100 | ash3en | (~Thunderbi@2a03:7846:b6eb:101:93ac:a90a:da67:f207) (Quit: ash3en) |
| 2024-11-06 21:04:49 +0100 | <EvanR> | probably |
| 2024-11-06 21:04:42 +0100 | <monochrom> | Well OK I guess I should be cynical about humanity again. |
| 2024-11-06 21:04:20 +0100 | <monochrom> | Oh haha. |
| 2024-11-06 21:04:08 +0100 | <EvanR> | more like "how do I catch a panic so I can do slick control flow fu" |
| 2024-11-06 21:02:33 +0100 | <monochrom> | It is a good thing that beginners ask "I don't get 'panic', what is it for?" instead of the Dunning-Kruger effect of deluding themselves into believing that they understand. |
| 2024-11-06 21:00:42 +0100 | caconym | (~caconym@user/caconym) caconym |
| 2024-11-06 21:00:04 +0100 | caconym | (~caconym@user/caconym) (Quit: bye) |
| 2024-11-06 20:59:59 +0100 | <monochrom> | That is still much better than "I know what 'error' means, don't educate me". |
| 2024-11-06 20:58:42 +0100 | <EvanR> | there's still plenty of stack overflow going over the intention of panic and how it won't work for "exceptions as control flow" common in other languages |
| 2024-11-06 20:54:04 +0100 | <monochrom> | Beginners don't know community consensus. What beginners do is look at meaningful names and believe that they are actually honest. We had the misstep of calling it "error" so beginners think it just means the same "error" from languages they already know. Rust has the wisdom to call it "panic". |
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| 2024-11-06 20:53:00 +0100 | smiesner | (b0cf5acf8c@user/smiesner) smiesner |
| 2024-11-06 20:52:54 +0100 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich |
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| 2024-11-06 20:52:24 +0100 | ft | (~ft@p4fc2a216.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) ft |
| 2024-11-06 20:51:26 +0100 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj |
| 2024-11-06 20:51:07 +0100 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2024-11-06 20:50:20 +0100 | ft | (~ft@p4fc2a216.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: Lost terminal) |
| 2024-11-06 20:49:50 +0100 | <EvanR> | or put them in Chans |
| 2024-11-06 20:49:38 +0100 | <EvanR> | you can also put bottoms in MVars and screw over whoever has access to it |
| 2024-11-06 20:48:11 +0100 | ljdarj1 | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj |
| 2024-11-06 20:46:03 +0100 | <EvanR> | did not think of that level of broken code |
| 2024-11-06 20:45:42 +0100 | <EvanR> | throwing an exception which is a bottom sounds ridiculous |
| 2024-11-06 20:44:50 +0100 | <EvanR> | I'm mainly talking about async (the library) |
| 2024-11-06 20:44:38 +0100 | <EvanR> | if the thread crashes no |
| 2024-11-06 20:44:31 +0100 | <EvanR> | if forkIO itself crashes sure |
| 2024-11-06 20:41:15 +0100 | sord937 | (~sord937@gateway/tor-sasl/sord937) (Quit: sord937) |
| 2024-11-06 20:32:32 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Rust for example specifically has poisoned state to combat panics during inter-thread communication. But with lazyness, exceptions (and poison) can come out any time |
| 2024-11-06 20:30:58 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Or maybe I misunderstood you. I also have on my mind a problem that Control.Concurrent.Async.waitCatch, and you get a Right x, x can still contain a bottom |
| 2024-11-06 20:30:49 +0100 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj |
| 2024-11-06 20:30:42 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I think they are, mostly? |
| 2024-11-06 20:30:24 +0100 | <Inst> | how would you spawn the async thread in pure code? |
| 2024-11-06 20:29:52 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Exceptions with forkIO are already not rethrown though? |
| 2024-11-06 20:27:46 +0100 | <EvanR> | each thread being a microcosm of programming principle |
| 2024-11-06 20:27:31 +0100 | <EvanR> | but you can file this pattern away under "process pattern" |
| 2024-11-06 20:27:07 +0100 | <EvanR> | a counter example is you spawned an async thread which may succeed or may crash in whatever unknown way, but you don't want the supervisor thread to crash because of it |
| 2024-11-06 20:27:04 +0100 | <geekosaur> | lol |
| 2024-11-06 20:26:54 +0100 | <sclv> | do _not_ turn on automated zfs snapshots for /var/log everyone! |